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Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:43PM (#23664529)
Moderation should be similar to a database view. I would love a browser extension and backend store like Lemmy that posts to both the site I’m on but also Lemmy (each site would be a distinct “namespace”). What is a forum but a collection of post identifiers with a corresponding tree of comments.

If a mod removes, hides, or takes other mod action on a comment or post, the browser extension and federated storage system still allows me to see and interact with that content and it’s writer (“showdead” globally). You could subscribe to “mod actions” (which is just curation) by mod, which would govern your experience of the content.

I appreciate the mod work here, for example, but I also want to be able to bypass that “filter opinion” so I can still interact with folks and content out of band if I so choose (one person’s “flame war” is another person’s vigorous debate).

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by ralusek on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:58PM (#23664646)
Yes. Even just the existence of different subreddits with different moderation policies is already close to a perfect solution.

I don't understand why people are so hellbent on getting subreddits that exceed their tolerances removed from the platform. There are orders of magnitude more subreddits that I ignore altogether than the ones that I choose to subscribe to.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by antepodius on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:47PM (#23664944)
Because it isn't about protecting yourself from harm, it's about attacking people you hate.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:55PM (#23664992)
Speaking only of the US legal framework, hate speech is still free speech. Ignore speech you prefer not to consume instead of supporting the curtailment of rights.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by antepodius on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:58PM (#23665009)
No, I mean it's about removing people you hate's ability to speak to each other (and to you) in a completely legal manner, by getting reddit to destroy the place where they congregate and hounding them out of the digital cities.

The answer, of course, is that these people should build their own cities. But first, of course, they'll just have to build their own websites, servers, datacentres, ISPs, and nations.

(And militaries, to stop USGOV from killing them all, presuming they dare challenge the banks by building alternatives to traditional payment processors.)

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 27, 2020 @06:00PM (#23665016)
> The answer, of course, is that these people should build their own cities. But first, of course, they'll just have to build their own websites, servers, datacentres, ISPs, and nations.

Yeah! I’m proposing building systems on top of Reddit and Hacker News (just two examples, any forum really that serves its data as http) to backfill their content and discussion data (comments), and prevent global censorship by mod actions. If you can’t censor The Pirate Bay and SciHub, you’d expect such a system to be equally durable. It’s all JSON blobs, identifies, and endpoints.

These sites are temporary (remember Digg?), so you want to build discussion systems that are durable, prevent censorship, and will outlive their underlying websites they sit on top of. These are not unreasonable amounts of data we’re dealing with, it’s mostly compressible text. I can store 100TB in Backblaze for $500/month, and front it from VMs around the world.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by antepodius on Saturday June 27, 2020 @06:06PM (#23665053)
Good luck! We do need something more robust than individual company-owned websites. My optimistic side hopes that when we get good enough protocols for this sort of thing entrenched, things will stay good.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 27, 2020 @06:15PM (#23665103)
I’m hopeful. The Distributed Web movement appears to have legs and momentum. Time will tell if it delivers the aspirational value supporters believe in.