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Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by rglullis on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:33PM (#23664456)
It's federated, each instance would be a subreddit. Don't like a instances because it is run by a deplorable? Don't subscribe to it. Is a deplorable posting deplorable things on the instances you are subscribed to and trying to piss on your pool? Downvote/mute/ban them.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by simias on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:43PM (#23664534)
But I already see many "subreddits" (here called communities) on the main website: https://dev.lemmy.ml/communities

Also you have a big "create community" button at the top. Surely that doesn't spin a completely new instance of the application every time? And if not, how can we tell which instance a community belongs to?

Honestly I don't really understand the need for something like that to be federated. In the olden days you had a bunch of forums/BBS/IRC network/Whatever that served various niches but didn't communicate with each other.

For instance, what would we gain if we decided to turn HN into a Lemmy federated service?

If anything it seems like in the long run it would be a disservice, as very large communities with lower standards would end up spilling and wrecking niches where the community is more tightly knit and post higher quality content.

This fediverse thing makes some sense for IM and similar applications where you want to be able to connect easily with anybody. For forums however, it feels rather pointless to me.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by rglullis on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:45PM (#23664932)
Well, currently Lemmy does not even have a working federated implementation. Maybe it's too early to guess?

> For instance, what would we gain if we decided to turn HN into a Lemmy federated service?

It doesn't have to be a "Lemmy" Service. But let's pretend that dang decides to implement ActivityPub for HN. What would we get? Some guesses:

- Less people trying to game/break HN. There is great value in gaming HN now because of its centralization. If HN is just one in a place with a bigger number of actors, I would guess the incentive to game it would be reduced.

- Easier to have cross-pollination of ideas. There is an overlap between some subreddits, HN, lobste.rs, etc. Now, we can accept these services are big enough that there is always some cross-posting. What about the other topics that are HN-worthy (gratifies one's intellectual curiosity) but are under-represented elsewhere?

- More room for dissenting/non-status quo views. With ActivityPub, your client could easily allow you to subscribe to an account. So let's say that I want to see whatever more controversial people post - e.g, idlewords. With HN, I need to either stalk him or hope that the echo chamber has decided on his favor on a given day.

Granted, I think is highly unlikely that dang or YC would have any interest in doing something like that. They would be giving away control of the conversation and the risks are unknown for very little benefit. But is it really our job to be concerned about this? I'd rather have more people and more actors sharing this control than having to trust entities that become too big to fail.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by judge2020 on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:38PM (#23664486)
If i'm a redditor that looks at r/dankmemes and r/gifs all day, or a creator for those subreddits, I don't see why I would leave reddit for a competitor. Without these people coming from reddit, it'll have the same problem as voat where nobody is looking for - or even willing to try - alternatives unless they were rejected.
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by rglullis on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:17PM (#23664755)
You know it's not an either/or proposition, right? You can still use reddit even if you also have an account at the competitor.

But anyway: if you are someone that only cares about looking at whatever BigCorp allows you to look, then sure, keep using reddit.

If you'd like to have some form of control over the content you value, create and would like to promote, then your best bet is to fight for alternatives to the current big centralized systems.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by zacharycohn on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:36PM (#23664469)
How is that different than Reddit, except with less ability to control cross-subreddit brigading?
Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by MattGaiser on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:38PM (#23664483)
> Don't like a instances because it is run by a deplorable? Don't subscribe to it.

How is that different from how Reddit/Voat currently are?

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by rglullis on Saturday June 27, 2020 @05:06PM (#23664680)
The difference would be for the deplorable, who now has no "mah free speech" and "reddit is censoring me!!11!!" excuses to fall on and justify its deplorability.

More seriously though, the important thing about ActivityPub is that it removes central points of control. No matter how much you agree/disagree with the governance of Reddit/Facebook/Twitter et caterva, they are just too big for the good of society. Federated systems is one chance to take this power from them and bring to people - if not directly (say, because you don't want the pain of hosting/managing all that crap) at least you can delegate this power to someone closer to you - or at very least to a bigger number of smaller providers who will them have no monopoly and will have to keep your interests first.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by Barrin92 on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:41PM (#23664510)
how is this different from reddit governance where subreddits are already responsible for self-moderation? I don't think a lot of users care whether the instances are technically separated, in the case of Mastodon this is probably what stops people from using it because it's not intuitive to understand.