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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by rurban on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:38PM (#23663688)
To those saying it's nothing: Lookup the historical data and compare. Chernobyl caused 0.1 mSv/h in radiation in Sweden, this incident caused 0.18 mSv/h in Helsinki. Only two short spikes over one week, Chernobyl was over two weeks, but certainly not harmless. These are deadly poisons. https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/contentassets/66f4f...

It's either one of the old Chernobyl-like pressure water reactors in Tallin or St Petersburg. Really interesting is also why the control commission in Vienna is not allowed to call them out.

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by ksaj on Saturday June 27, 2020 @04:07PM (#23664268)
Mandates are mandates. You can only say and do what you are authorized to say and do. Overstepping other agencies' jurisdictions is a guaranteed way to garner negative attention.

Eg: In Canada people are trying to push the Prime Minister into releasing Meng back to China. But the government is strictly separate from the legal/court system to avoid the type of corruption one sees the US Dept of Justice accused of right now. So yes, he very well might be able to push the matter through loopholes or influence, but the very same people pushing him to do it would also decry corruption and call him a dictator if he did so. So he won't overstep that boundary.

Additionally, I used to provide technical expert witness services in certain types of court cases. I had to state only things that I can back up as part of my expertise. I had to use the word 'apparent' and 'presumed' a lot, even when file names were so extremely obvious. I couldn't refer to a hacker as a hacker in certain contexts - they're simply "suspects" etc. As a technical expert, I spoke to the technology and not the person or any literal content.

It's exactly the same reason you see the word "alleged" used in the news even when it is super obvious the "alleged" facts are obviously true -- Jurisdiction and authority to state specifics as fact.

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by ProblemFactory on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:18PM (#23663961)
> old Chernobyl-like pressure water reactors in Tallin or St Petersburg

You must be confusing Tallinn with some other city - Estonia does not and has not had any nuclear power plants.

The map covers Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Russia. Estonia and Latvia have no nuclear power or weapons programs, and the first four are EU countries where staying silent about an incident would be very unlikely. That leaves Russia.

Interestingly enough the possible source area includes the Arkhangelsk naval base, where the Russian nuclear submarine fleet is stationed. An incident there may explain the lack of information.

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by catalogia on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:35PM (#23664056)
I think Arkhangelsk being involved seems likely. The Russian ship "Akademik Aleksandrov" aka Project 20183 was apparently in that area recently[1], and seems obviously related to Poseidon[2]. If the source of the radiation were a Poseidon, that would certainly explain the secrecy.

As for claims of the fission products coming from a "civil source", I don't think enough is known about Poseidon's reactors to rule that out. I could be wrong, but as far as I've read the details of that reactor are up in the air (besides being small, obviously.)

[1] https://twitter.com/FrankBottema/status/1276930424170844162

[2] http://www.hisutton.com/Akademik-Aleksandrov.html

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by jononor on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:58AM (#23667751)
I don't see why Swedish or Finnish plant operators would not stay silent for a few days, while working to establish what an incident was or caused by.
Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by AnssiH on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:49AM (#23667539)
> this incident caused 0.18 mSv/h in Helsinki

According to graphs here https://www.stuk.fi/web/en/topics/environmental-radiation/ra... it rose to 0.18 µSv/h, not mSv/h, which is just slightly above normal in the area (0.13-0.16 µSv/h depending on station, looks like)

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by Moiman on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:59AM (#23667173)
> this incident caused 0.18 mSv/h in Helsinki.

Do you have source for this? This is likely just normal natural background radiation.

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by AnssiH on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:39AM (#23667512)
The natural background seems to be around 0.13-0.16 µSv/h in Helsinki: https://www.stuk.fi/web/en/topics/environmental-radiation/ra... (select a station to see history).

Seems there is unit confusion as it only rose to 0.18 µSv/h in Helsinki, not to 0.18 mSv/h which would exceed Chernobyl impact.

Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by rurban on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:02AM (#23676047)
Oops, wrong by factor 1000. Thanks! It was only a very small picture, and I mixed up the µ spike with m.