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Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by Silhouette on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:07PM (#23658692)
I've never had an issue with forced updates with Windows 10. Might be because I use the Enterprise edition?

For many practical purposes, the higher Windows 10 tiers such as Enterprise and Education are a different product to the lower ones such as Home and Pro.

Microsoft isn't stupid and knows that professional sysadmins at large organisations would never surrender control of their corporate networks and the devices on them to an external party, so Microsoft doesn't try to push much-criticised aspects of Windows 10 such as mandatory telemetry and upgrades in that market.

If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with. The Pro edition of Windows used to cater to the small business and power user market, yet bizarrely in Windows 10 that edition seems to have been heavily downgraded and is now little better than Home in the negative aspects we're talking about here.

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by GordonS on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:02PM (#23663408)
>> If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack

> Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with

Not sure if there is a misunderstanding here, but you're replying directly to my comment that explains how you can get the Enterprise edition without a volume licensing deal or any other "enterprise junk".

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by Silhouette on Saturday June 27, 2020 @08:23PM (#23665790)
Searching for "Microsoft Action Pack" took me to this page:

https://partner.microsoft.com/en-GB/membership/action-pack

That is immediately full of buzzword bull about partners and subscriptions, which is exactly the sort of enterprise junk I was referring to before. Notably missing however is any straightforward way to buy a legitimate copy of Windows 10 Enterprise, or anything resembling instructions for doing so or pricing information.

If you have indeed found a legitimate way to just buy a plain copy of Windows 10 Enterprise for use on a business PC without further strings attached, unfortunately I wasn't able to find it from the information in your previous comment.

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by GordonS on Sunday June 28, 2020 @06:30AM (#23667882)
I found this page, which is fairly clear:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/partner-center/mpn-get-acti...

Yes, they make it harder than it needs to be, but it's not particularly difficult either. And you're not just buying Windows 10 Enterprise, which is why there is no "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button - it's a subscription to a veritable trove of software and Azure credits.

1. Sign up to join the Microsoft Partner Network 2. Buy the Action Pack

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by Silhouette on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:35PM (#23670990)
Fair enough. But what we'd be looking for is essentially a "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button. We have no interest in commercial partnering arrangements with accompanying legal shenanigans. We don't want a subscription-based anything. We don't need to tie in a load of other software and services that we neither use nor care about.

Since Windows 10 Pro isn't really a Pro edition in the historical sense, we're just looking for a suitable replacement in the Windows 10 generation. That would have to be Enterprise as things stand, because no edition below that would currently be acceptable in terms of having full control of our own systems. But Microsoft doesn't want to sell us anything close to a like-for-like replacement to the Pro editions we've used for many years with previous Windows versions, so we won't use Windows 10 as our main desktop OS.

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by GordonS on Sunday June 28, 2020 @03:09PM (#23671221)
> We have no interest in commercial partnering arrangements with accompanying legal shenanigans

There are none, you're looking too hard for road blocks! All that stuff only comes into play if you become a "real" Microsoft partner by paying them lots of money and attaining one of the competency tiers; for the Action Pack, you just give them $400/y (or whatever it is, I don't recall precisely).

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by Silhouette on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:48PM (#23671927)
Most of the points you mentioned there were not immediately obvious to me from reading either of the pages we cited above, so I'll have to take your word that there is something relevant available even if I can't readily identify it. But to be frank, if it would cost that much just to get a useful Windows 10 licence, or even a handful of them, it's hardly going to be attractive compared to the other options anyway, even if there really are no other shenanigans.

I do appreciate your time writing these comments, but unfortunately what I'm seeing so far doesn't really look any more promising than anything I've come across in any previous discussions on this subject. If Microsoft ever decides to offer a simple licence at a reasonable price for a fully controlled edition of Windows 10, and if we haven't already got everything we need from the combination of six other platforms we currently use at my businesses anyway, maybe we'll take a look. For now, it seems their business model doesn't include having businesses like us as customers, and we're certainly not going to go out of our way to work around that and give them money anyway. After all, why on earth would we?

Re:Microsoft removes manual deferrals from Windows Update 't... by GordonS on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:38PM (#23672274)
Fair point, while the Action Pack is amazing value, it's only worth it if you're on a Microsoft stack - it wouldn't be worth it only to get a single Windows 10 Enterprise license (I think you actually get 5 licenses, as well as server edition licenses, SQL Server licenses, Visual Studio subscriptions, 5 O365 subscriptions, Azure credits and more).