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Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by Misdicorl on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:04PM (#23658039)
Or we could address the root problem behind the vast majority of crime; systemic poverty.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by tick_tock_tick on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:11PM (#23658414)
I'm not convinced that systemic poverty is the cause. Plenty of poorer counties and non urban, but just a poor, areas in the USA don't have these high violent crime rates.
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by genoapol on Saturday June 27, 2020 @07:47AM (#23661197)
Most of the poor countries you mention don't have an intentionally created underclass. The economic background and the tremendous intentional income/wealth inequality in the US adds a bit more complexity.

In most countries, you won't end up in jail because you make less than $X, the US penalizes being poor. The US jail population as a % of the world's total jailed population is a clear indicator.

Also its quite interesting that American whites commit crime at a higher rate than UK blacks. There is something systemic at work here.

It seems the few decades of gutting social safety nets compounded with the trend of shutting down schools to make funds available for policing and jail building created a pipeline directly to jail for the newly undereducated and poor. A pipeline with perverse incentives that helped corporations and the US government exploit almost free ($0.25/hr) domestic prison slave labor for weapons, defense, and general manufacturing.

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by tick_tock_tick on Saturday June 27, 2020 @02:50PM (#23663784)
That's a really really weird view if everyone is equally as poor people don't murder?
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by adamsea on Saturday June 27, 2020 @11:07PM (#23666492)
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by Misdicorl on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:35PM (#23658825)
Poverty includes more than just household income. In particular, many of the comparative areas you mention provide: safe schools, libraries, extended family resources. Population density is also a huge driver of violent crime rates.

Of course poverty isn't the only factor. But it's a hugely important one.

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by MuffinFlavored on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:45AM (#23660189)
higher household income would mean the households are worth more

aka more property taxes

aka more money for education and police to keep everybody safe

Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by Misdicorl on Saturday June 27, 2020 @08:28AM (#23661400)
The point is that people construct these comparison classes which are poor but not impoverished. And then draw all sorts of faulty conclusions
Re:Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. f... by MuffinFlavored on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:43AM (#23660181)
how many children raised in poor neighborhoods by young single poor mothers should have been aborted?