> There's a worrying trend in the conversation these days that has shifted from "there's a serious problem with racism in how police go about their job" to "we need less police". Folks in neighborhoods living with the constant threat of gang violence don't have the luxury to sit in their aeron chairs and argue about defunding the police. They face the very real threat of themselves or their loved ones being shot on the streets and statistically not by police.
The contrary part:
> The threat of gang violence is not mitigated by police response. The threat of gang violence is mitigated by providing much better options for people who would otherwise join gangs. Police presence is immaterial to the lack of gangs in affluent neighborhoods.
Original comment basically said "police are important to protect against violence in neighborhoods where there's a lot of it. W/the implication that said violence is gang violence.
The response argued that if we want to decrease or eliminate gang violence, we have to address the root issue, which is basically criminal neglect of neighborhoods (lack of schools, hospitals, entire communities systematically oppressed, disenfranchised, and neglected, etc) b/c of systemic racism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3698742/
'Conclusions. Relative “trauma deserts” with decreased access to immediate care were found in certain areas of Chicago and adversely affected mortality from GSWs. These results may inform decisions about trauma systems planning and funding.'
Where's the funding for hospitals where it's needed?
Or.
Let's look at the LA uprising (aka the LA riots). Let's look at Ferguson. Let's look at the riots in Baltimore. Those communities clearly had very strong feelings about the police.
The person you were quoting did not provide rock-solid proof that having police helps reduce violence, but they did provide a citation showing that:
> Violence against persons in poor (51%) and low-income (50%) households was more likely to be reported to police than violence against persons in mid- (43%) and high-income (45%) households
from https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf
So you could certainly argue that they are actually irrational to call the police and thus the higher rate is explained by them incorrectly thinking police would help them. But it's tricky to argue that with no data :)
Cheers
To find the criminals that did that and put them in prison to prevent them from doing that again?
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/675359781/americas-growing-co...
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national-politics/the-...
It will only get worse.
I wonder if AI and robotics will need to be used in the future assuming that the police shortage trend continues or gets even worse?
In most countries, you won't end up in jail because you make less than $X, the US penalizes being poor. The US jail population as a % of the world's total jailed population is a clear indicator.
Also its quite interesting that American whites commit crime at a higher rate than UK blacks. There is something systemic at work here.
It seems the few decades of gutting social safety nets compounded with the trend of shutting down schools to make funds available for policing and jail building created a pipeline directly to jail for the newly undereducated and poor. A pipeline with perverse incentives that helped corporations and the US government exploit almost free ($0.25/hr) domestic prison slave labor for weapons, defense, and general manufacturing.
Of course poverty isn't the only factor. But it's a hugely important one.
aka more property taxes
aka more money for education and police to keep everybody safe