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Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by chris_wot on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:43PM (#23647082)
The timing is quite suspicious.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by rectang on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:55PM (#23647184)
I am as cynical about the behavior of large corporations as anyone. But you can never really know anybody's motivations, only guess them from their actions.

Verizon could be doing it because of ad budgeting reasons. Verizon could be doing it because of public pressure. Most likely, both benefits go into their cost-benefit analysis.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by ragona on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:38PM (#23647496)
Exactly, it’s always both. These conversations always suppose a degree of coordination and agreement I’ve never seen at a large corporation.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by lern_too_spel on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:01PM (#23647237)
I just searched for Verizon on Google, and there was a Verizon ad, so they're still spending on digital marketing elsewhere. That Google ad is not even likely to be profitable considering Verizon owns all the organic links in the first page of results except for the Wikipedia result ranked fourth.

If they were cutting advertising spend due to the economy, it would be rational to cut unprofitable spend first. I'm inclined to take them at their word for why they cut Facebook spend.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by ajzinsbwbs on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:47PM (#23647561)
The rate Google charges for ads is inversely proportional to click-through rate, so you pay less per click if your click-through rate is higher. In the case of a company bidding to advertise on searches for that company’s own name, it means that the company can win the bid with a lower offer than competitors trying to put ads there. You could say Google is extorting Verizon to pay up to prevent competitors from stealing customers. But regardless, it’s probably a good value proposition for Verizon to participate in the auction, because competitors would have to overpay to beat them.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by lern_too_spel on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:36AM (#23648762)
That they pay little doesn't matter. What matters is that it's above zero, which is what the clicks would cost without the ad, making them unprofitable.

The competitor argument for running the ad has two problems. The first is that no competitors are bidding for that keyword, and the second is that a competitor would already have to pay a lot to get top of page placement for a keyword they can't put in their ad copy.

Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by ajzinsbwbs on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:03AM (#23648860)
Not sure why you think an ad wouldn’t work here. Sometimes customers are willing to switch to a competing product. If you can offer something better or cheaper they might want it. I’ve worked at a company where we at times bought Google ads for both our own product name and competitor’s names and made money.
Re:Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing b... by lern_too_spel on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:06AM (#23652088)
> Not sure why you think an ad wouldn’t work here.

"no competitors are bidding for that keyword"

That itself is enough to make Verizon's ads unprofitable.

If you think that competitors would bid for the keyword without Verizon's presence, you'll have to explain why because with Verizon's presence, if nobody clicks on it, the cost is zero. There appears to be a gentleman's agreement between the consumer communication companies not to bid on each other's name, and if that's the case, bidding on your own name is flushing money down the toilet.

I've seen the food delivery case, where Blue Apron bids on "Hello Fresh" and offers a better coupon than for people searching for "Blue Apron." That isn't happening here.