ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization

Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by starsinspace on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:34PM (#23643209)

To give a different perspective: I find Apple's move to ARM the most exciting thing to happen in desktop computers in many years. I'm typing this from a PC running Win10. Current plan is: as soon as ARM desktop Macs become available (and assuming they don't screw it up in some weird way), I'd like to switch.

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by mey on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:24PM (#23644474)

If it's ARM that excites you, Surface Pro X (Windows) and Pinebook (Linux) exist today. If it's macOS, you could switch now. What about the combo of macOS + ARM do you find compelling?

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by ajconway on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:06PM (#23644990)

Windows app developers couldn't care less about ARM Windows. MacOS app developers will have to if they want to stay relevant.

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by kube-system on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:36PM (#23645392)

Because of the network effects of software development. The number of people that use those devices you list is basically a rounding error, so they're ignored by most software development.

Apple has a monopoly on their hardware, and they will likely sell a significant number of devices. This will lead to a lot more development for ARM that never would have happened otherwise.

That, in turn, may make tilt the balance in favor of ARM for a lot of other use cases outside of OSX when other tools, applications, and hardware vendors better support ARM.

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:39PM (#23643992)

So, and I say this as someone who's stoked to see any non-x86 system going mainstream... why do you want to switch? What benefit do you see to switching to an ARM laptop? Or is it just "this is a good thing (in general) so I want to get on board with it"?

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by starsinspace on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:47AM (#23653311)

I'm also excited about a non-x86 architecture on the desktop again. Monoculture is bad, and I find x86 to be especially ugly...

As for switching... I'm increasingly unhappy with Microsoft's complete disregard of user privacy. Apple isn't perfect with that either, but IMO much better at least. For my use cases, Win and Mac are the only credible options due to software availability. So to get away from Windows.. there's not much choice these days.

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by torstenvl on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:09PM (#23659209)

Why do you feel like proprietary software monocultures are better than commoditized hardware monocultures? OS vendors selling 100% custom silicon is not the path to diversity and freedom of choice.

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Re:ARM Mac: Why I'm Worried About Virtualization by dehrmann on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:19AM (#23649233)

Having an x86 dev machine is useful because it matches most production environments pretty closely. This might be changing somewhat with AWS Graviton, it's not the default yet.

What makes ARM so exciting? Maybe battery use will be better? Maybe it will be slightly faster? Maybe? There's also been a lot of tuning done for laptop workloads on x86, it's definitely a maybe. I expect the only noticeable changes for most users to be somewhat better battery life, some apps not working, and occasionally having to know which package to download.

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