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Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:18PM (#23634965)
Developers could create a third party ROM with the privacy enhancements which users could install.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:23PM (#23634997)
How is users having to trust third-party developers about privacy features in a ROM different to users having to trust Apple?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:40PM (#23635129)
Independent audits could be conducted on those privacy enhanced ROMs, if there was enough interest.

I'm not saying this is the most practical solution to this problem but at least it's a possibility.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by realusername on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:18PM (#23635819)
Anybody can have a look at the ROM to see if it makes sense whereas only Apple can realistically audit the iPhone.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by rimjongun on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:34PM (#23636630)
You say “anybody” But I’m not a programmer, I would have no idea what I’m looking at. And trust me, neither would the vast majority of humans.

Beyond that, have you considered the actual average user? You either never worked tech support or forgot. It’s bad out there, it’s like people are moving backwards with computer skills because of phones.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by realusername on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:51PM (#23636725)
> You say “anybody” But I’m not a programmer, I would have no idea what I’m looking at. And trust me, neither would the vast majority of humans.

That's still a way better outcome than having a single uncountable company being able to do audits.

> Beyond that, have you considered the actual average user? You either never worked tech support or forgot. It’s bad out there, it’s like people are moving backwards with computer skills because of phones.

People are becoming worse with computer skills because manufacturers try very hard to remove owners from how their machine works, I'm not sure going further into this way will help. In a very locked down device like the iPhone, the phone owner can't even understand what it's doing even if they wanted to.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lwhi on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:12AM (#23638111)
The difference is realistically possible vs not possible.

I think the point stands.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by sbuk on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:46AM (#23638350)
It’s still about trust.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lwhi on Thursday June 25, 2020 @05:00AM (#23638438)
There's nothing to be gained by trusting a large corporation.

By defending user privacy, Apple is able to have a direct affect on the bottom line of its rival corporations.

All corporations behave according to incentives that will help they to progress further than their competitors. If they don't rival coporations will take the lead.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by sbuk on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:39PM (#23643270)
So should why should I trust anyone? The crux of these arguments is essentially anti-capitalism. That’s fine. But be upfront about it. There is a debate to be had around the ethics of privacy in a capitalist free market economy. In this instance, for me at least, Apple is the devil I know. Your point around trusting corporations is totally valid, but I’ve yet to see a similarly valid argument for trusting open source projects. “You can read/compile the source code” is only valid if it is all encompassing. At some point in that line of argument trust still has to be deferred.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lwhi on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:26AM (#23651194)
Conceptually, trust suggests we don't need to question, or exercise due diligence. I'd argue, in a capitalist system, you definitely shouldn't trust anyone! Capitalism is based on incentive.

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So following on from this. Is the crux of these arguments anti-capitalist?

No .. it's not anti-capitalism. It's realistic. Even more realistic if you believe in a capitalism system and want to compete.

I feel that capitalism works most successfully when it provides more people with a better quality of life.

Fundamentally, there are conceptual problems with a capitalist system .. factors that lead to scenarios that are likely to lead to the system operating sub-optimally.

An example of a problem; if a corporation is allowed to grow without limit, how can new companies realistically compete?

The remedy? I guess it's up for discussion. But I think regulation can prevent the worst form occurring, and many markets have measures in place to carry out this type of regulation.

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Why am I saying this?

Because I feel that open-source is simply a remedy to a conceptual problem that exists within our capitalist economy. It is not antithetical to capitalism.

Namely, the question it serves to answer is; how do we balance the power provided by digital technologies with the incentive companies have to exploit these powers for commercial gain?

Open-source is a logical answer to this. You could argue, we don't have the tools available to highlight any injustices contained in a code-base. My answer would be .. that doesn't mean we conceptually couldn't or won't in the future.

Closed source is a conceptual dead end - and won't lead to a better future.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lwhi on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:38PM (#23635117)
Android is open source, iOS is not.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by rootusrootus on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:36PM (#23635938)
The Android almost everyone uses is not open source.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lwhi on Thursday June 25, 2020 @05:29AM (#23638646)
The iOS _everyone_ uses is not open source.