Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by dan_quixote on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:30PM
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In a previous life I worked for a company that made extremely precise tooling for airplane manufacturing. These things were often upwards of 200ft long and 60ft tall. And they are so precise, that a difference of 5F could make the steel structures grow enough to be out of spec. Most aerospace factories have tightly controlled HVAC for this reason. Well, anyway, we installed a set of tooling in a factory in Japan where the summers can be quite hot. They didn't have HVAC in the factory and this resulted in a 30F gradient from bottom to top. This meant that we had to redesign some connections between parts to progressively account for thermal expansion. This crazy problem would not have existed had they just had HVAC!
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by nix23 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:18AM
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Yeah no, it really depends on the working piece (geometry), material, manufacturing and so on...its incredible complex, some milling machines work 24/7 (even without a piece in it) just to uphold the overall machine temperature. A HVAC could make stuff even worse when your piece or machine comes in to the cold flow.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by ip26 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:10AM
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Do you think it would have been cheaper in the long term, e.g. 10-20 years, for them to install & run the HVAC continuously? Was the redesign terribly difficult & expensive?
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by dan_quixote on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:52AM
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It's been a decade so my memory is fuzzy, but it was likely on the order of $1-3million (USD) and 3-6 months. Not sure what HVAC would cost over that time.
The real problem is that these types of adaptations are only in spec over some range. Any deviation from that range can be problematic and non-linear.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by Hello71 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:35PM
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wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a few dozen box fans from the local electronics store?
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by closeparen on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:41PM
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Circulation is not cooling.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by foota on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:23PM
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Technically, parent says the issues was the temperature gradient, so this may have helped?
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by nix23 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:20AM
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Normally, high precision measuring rooms have zero airflow, otherwise have a constant temperature in the room and on the piece is not possible.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by foota on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:55AM
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Sorry, could you clarify? It seems like zero airflow would inhibit a constant temperature?
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by nix23 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:22AM
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For example you putt those pieces like 24 hours (depends on thickness) before measuring in that room, the piece should have from it's core to the edges the same temperature.
Airflow inhibits a precise measurement, imagine you putt something in that room that changes the airflow just a bit, so more warm air from the ceiling hit's one side of the piece.
Always when you try to measure something, no outer energies should interfere (no temperature change and no force like airflow or even driving cars outside of the building), it could even be, that the airflow creates vibrations in the piece, like rolling cars do.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by foota on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:46PM
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The issue is that the temperature in the room is non-uniform. The ceiling is 20 degrees hotter than the ground so over time the object will have the same distribution.
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by Hello71 on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:21AM
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without HVAC wouldn't the temperature already change drastically throughout the day due to weather?
Re:Air conditioning's original purpose was to enable factory...
by dan_quixote on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:55AM
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You'd need much more serious fans. And this method lacks any kind of real control. It would reduce the gradient though.
Anyway, that's just my story about humidity and printing. The second summer I worked there they had installed air conditioning and those problems went away. I'm sure they did it for business reasons and not because they thought it was cruel to force people to regularly work in 100+ fahrenheit temperatures.