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Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by stagger87 on Monday June 22, 2020 @06:33PM (#23607706)
> Moore's law is dead.

GTX 1080 - 11b transistors (2016)

RTX 3080 - 45b transistors (2020)

From Wikipedia

"Moore's law is the observation that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit doubles about every two years."

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by AnimalMuppet on Monday June 22, 2020 @07:36PM (#23608239)
> RTX 3080 - 45b transistors (2020)

That's just... insane. That's five transistors for every person on the planet. In 700 mm2.

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by iso8859-1 on Monday June 22, 2020 @10:19PM (#23609306)
Why does it make sense to compare it with the world population?
Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:02AM (#23609799)
It doesn't, of course, except in the sense of "that's something that we know is a Really Big Number".

[Edit: And a number that people have some intuition of how big it is.]

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by WizardAustralis on Monday June 22, 2020 @09:19PM (#23608972)
True but the die size has also grown. So it not a 1:1 comparison.

An impressive feat for sure but it is just using brute force to increase performance nowadays.

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by sbierwagen on Monday June 22, 2020 @10:38PM (#23609409)
Doing the math:

GTX 1080: 42.81 mm^2 per billion transistors. 41.53 mm^2 per TFLOP. 0.97 billion transistors per TFLOP.

RTX 3080: 15.55 mm^2 per billion transistors. 33.17 mm^2 per TFLOP. 2.13 billion transistors per TFLOP.

They scale well for transistors against die size, and TFLOP against die size, but terribly in transistors per TFLOP? That can't be right.

Checking https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3080-ti.c3... I now see it says "Based on speculation / placeholder", which makes me think it's all just totally made up, and not reliable evidence to declare the death of Moore just yet.

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by atq2119 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:02AM (#23610691)
Keep in mind that with the 2080, they added raytracing acceleration and tensor cores. Both add area and improve performance of specific user cases, but my guess is that they don't show up in that TFlops number.
Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by mapleshamrock on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @06:13AM (#23611941)
This is it - you can't just compare FP32 TFLOPS. The newer cards have a ton of extra precisions, custom cores for certain workloads, and on chip memory, all of which use silicon area and transistors, but none of which boost the FP32 TFLOPS metric.

I could design you a chip that is nothing but FP32 multipliers and adders that has, theoretically, a ridiculous TFLOPS per mm^2, but it would be next to useless in any real workload.

Re:TSMC officially begins 5 nm production by nickik on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:38AM (#23614450)
I think in Moore's paper it was actually about economics of transistor production. But I think this definition is the more commonly cited.