Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for future Macs

Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by monocasa on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:21PM (#23605971)

Will an ARM version of Logic support loading x86 plugins?

Last time Rosetta was on a process by process basis, so you might have to make some unfortunate choices.

Edit: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/abou...

> The system prevents you from mixing arm64 code and x86_64 code in the same process. Rosetta translation applies to an entire process, including all code modules that the process loads dynamically.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by philjohn on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:02PM (#23606613)

Yes - they called out "plugins" being transpiled in the keynote.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by monocasa on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:04PM (#23606639)

I linked to the docs where it says they plugins and the process need to be the same architecture; you won't be able to mix and match in a process.

Also transpile is a source to source compilation and isn't the right term here.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by sroussey on Monday June 22, 2020 @09:05PM (#23608876)

Oh, I see. Extensions have a different model than plugins. Will be interesting to see how support develops and if it expands or not.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by eyesee on Monday June 22, 2020 @08:37PM (#23608717)

Apple has pushed XPC architecture for plug-ins for several years and has announced that these plug-ins will work in Rosetta for a Native host app. Audio Units will work as well.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by monocasa on Monday June 22, 2020 @09:13PM (#23608922)

VST is way older than Apple's push for XPC, and is dependent on being linked into the same process as the main DAW application.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by afwaller on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:41PM (#23606336)

No AVX is fairly brutal

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by CyberDildonics on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:08PM (#23606678)

What does that mean and what are you basing that on?

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by oneplane on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:33PM (#23606189)

The question is if those plugins are modules (shared objects/dynamic libraries), or if they are used via some sort of IPC to an external process. (or even an XPC service)

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by monocasa on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#23606277)

They are shared libraries, yes. And rely on lower latency than you would get from an IPC channel to another process.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by oneplane on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:01PM (#23606603)

That would make sense. On the other hand, would that go for Audio Units as well? I thought those were XPC based.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by Joeri on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:32PM (#23607006)

They could have a separate bridging process to host the x86 plugins, so we can’t know whether it does or does not support them.

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Re:Apple announces it will switch to its own processors for ... by monocasa on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:40PM (#23607098)

The plug-in arch doesn't really support that. They're reliant on being able to do brain surgery to the main app, and being in the same GUI context.

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