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Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by kevsim on Sunday June 21, 2020 @04:23PM (#23595101)
Possibly stupid question - does Apple switching to ARM mean the death of Bootcamp?
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by cable2600 on Sunday June 21, 2020 @04:27PM (#23595128)
Possible so, unless Apple makes the ARM chip run Intel code. Windows is overrated now and only Windows 10 matters at this point in time.

For $150 you can buy a cheap Intel based PC laptop with Windows 10 on it.

I think Bootcamp might work for ARM based Linux and the ARM version of Windows 10. At least Raspberry PIs that are ARM based can run those.

Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by GradientAssent on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:09PM (#23595427)
Many games still aren't available on Mac, and things like Wine are not nearly as clean of an experience as just installing games in native Windows. I'd guess switching to ARM will set back the progress made in Mac gaming as well.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by acephal on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:18PM (#23595490)
They sent the message they wanted everybody to hear about gaming when they turned the lever on 32bit support
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by ghettoimp on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:15PM (#23595472)
Would Intel be able to use patents to prevent them from doing x86 emulation?
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by dogma1138 on Sunday June 21, 2020 @06:44PM (#23595946)
They did so to block NVIDIA so quite likely.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by Hamuko on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:30PM (#23595575)
>For $150 you can buy a cheap Intel based PC laptop with Windows 10 on it.

Is there any point in a $150 computer, especially if it's $150 including Windows?

Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by nojito on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:32PM (#23595589)
Of course. You can get great deals from used/refurbished business laptops for that price.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by basementcat on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:32PM (#23595583)
I think the more interesting possibility is that one may have to jailbreak a Macbook Pro to run your own apps and/or OS.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by Hamuko on Sunday June 21, 2020 @06:26PM (#23595878)
Basically already a thing with SIP.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by qball on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:42PM (#23596762)
SIP is a simple toggle (for what it's worth, this is the same thing on Windows to be able to run arbitrary UWP applications). Jailbreaking is very much not, as it requires an actual exploit.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by mobilio on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:09PM (#23595424)
Almost definitely - yes.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by Chernobog on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:12PM (#23595452)
Given that an ARM version of Windows 10 exists, why do you say "almost definitively"?
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by benologist on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:17PM (#23595488)
People mostly dual-boot so they can access software they need that isn't on macOS, but it isn't available on ARM Windows either so why would Apple care to foster a nascent competing platform?
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by snazz on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:34PM (#23595599)
Additionally, the importance of this use-case (from Apple's perspective) has decreased significantly since they originally developed Boot Camp. While I'm sure that many people do run Windows on Mac hardware, the percentage of Mac owners who do this is likely dropping significantly (if I remember correctly, there was a statistic about this in a comment on another thread about ARM Macs).
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by Hamuko on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:22PM (#23595520)
Windows 10 ARM is so useless that there's really no reason to Boot Camp it.
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by mamon on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:36PM (#23595610)
But what if someone wants to Boot Camp ARM Linux?
Re:First Arm Macs: 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Redesigned iMac; Lat... by snazz on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:38PM (#23595629)
Boot Camp does not work with Linux on Intel Macs, so the question in this case would be whether the low-level bootloader would allow unsigned/third-party code or whether it would be locked-down like on iOS devices.