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Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by closeparen on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:41PM (#23580448)
Some of the arguments often seen on HN against "solving" identity:

- The inconsistent, chaotic patchwork of ID systems is more resilient than a monoculture, and definitely more resilient than a centralized solution.

- The gaps provide necessary cover for people who need to hide.

- Doubt usually plays in the little guy's favor. The bank eats the loss when it can't prove the debt is yours. Copyright lawsuit fails when it could have been anyone at that IP address.

- The difficulty of strong ID verification is what keeps it from being used gratuitously. A PKI or SSO provider that's too good will soon be required for every little thing.

- Customer identity is something a business should own, not rent.

Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by the_pwner224 on Saturday June 20, 2020 @06:41AM (#23583142)
> The inconsistent, chaotic patchwork of ID systems is more resilient than a monoculture, and definitely more resilient than a centralized solution.

This can be done in a decentralized manner where people host their identity. For example, for email you can buy a domain name and set the DNS MX record to point to whichever email server you want to receive email at. For identity you could have a DNS record with a public key, and then use your private key to generate random signed identities for every website. Obviously that's a bit out of reach of normal people, but it can be implimented without too much complexity. And inevitably it'll get pretty centralized for 90% of people, just like 90% of people use a @gmail.com email address, but the option will still be there for those who need it.

Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by closeparen on Saturday June 20, 2020 @02:47PM (#23585850)
DNS relies on central authorities, who can be and routinely are pressured to revoke identifiers for legal/political targets.
Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by perl4ever on Friday June 19, 2020 @10:46PM (#23581085)
Also:

- SSN is great and works well for everything.

Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by nneonneo on Saturday June 20, 2020 @01:57AM (#23582060)
You laugh, but in China, your national ID card is used for nearly everything important, and then your WeChat account or phone number is used for everything else. Almost all logins are done through SMS verification or WeChat login (no passwords in many cases), and your WeChat and phone numbers chain back up to your national ID card.

It turns out that you can completely centralize ID and authentication, provided you have a government which is mercilessly willing to violate your privacy...

Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by Mirioron on Saturday June 20, 2020 @05:06AM (#23582765)
And the downside is as was mentioned above: it's required for everything and there will always be a trail that can be traced back to you.
Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by ufmace on Saturday June 20, 2020 @09:47AM (#23583910)
Nice in a way. Just don't ever say or think anything the Government doesn't approve of, because it can all be traced right back to you, and they have a million ways to make your life miserable if they get the slightest hint that you aren't toeing the line.
Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by Avamander on Saturday June 20, 2020 @10:38AM (#23584179)
There are European countries that have their own digital IDs that provide authentication and signing.
Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by paranoidrobot on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:25PM (#23581328)
I hope that's sarcasm.

It's a very US-Centric view of the world.

Re:Turn on MFA Before Crooks Do It for You by perl4ever on Saturday June 20, 2020 @12:02AM (#23581541)
It is sarcasm.