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Re:On Cultures That Build by marcus_holmes on Friday June 19, 2020 @05:19AM (#23572683)
If they had houses, would they build anything?

I don't think so.

In fact, horrible as it is, being homeless is a great incentive to build (source: I have been homeless). The realisation that everything I depended on to keep me safe and warm had failed, and that I could really only rely on myself to do that, was a life-changer.

Giving people money will keep them dependent. People in that situation don't need handouts. They need the ability and opportunity to improve their situation themselves. For me, that was relaxed rules about hiring casual construction labour. I don't know what a homeless person would need now to improve their situation. But I'm willing to bet it's more likely to be the removal of constraints rather than handouts.

Re:On Cultures That Build by carapace on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:01AM (#23575174)
I was homeless to for a while (emotional and social problems, I'm feeling much better.) I get what you're saying. But that's you. I relied on all kinds of people, including several churches who gave free meals. God bless them.

Eventually, one of my relatives died and left my mom some money and she paid for some therapy and some of it worked and I went on to be a more-or-less functioning adult, with a job and home and all that.

YMMV

> Giving people money will keep them dependent.

There's a danger of that for some people, I agree, but I still think that dependent well-fed housed people are a step up from dependent hungry homeless people.

> People in that situation don't need handouts. They need the ability and opportunity to improve their situation themselves.

I say they need both: give them food and a place to live and education or training or therapy or whatever they need to develop the ability and find or create the opportunities. USA is a ridiculously wealthy nation, we could afford take care of our own if we just prioritized it.

> being homeless is a great incentive to build

I believe that people like to build. Look at kids, eh? LEGO bricks?

Frankly I think it's severely messed up that our society uses homelessness as a stick to keep people in line. I.e. "Don't lose your job! You'll wind up on the street!"

Re:On Cultures That Build by marcus_holmes on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:46PM (#23578209)
I agree with all of that
Re:On Cultures That Build by adrianN on Friday June 19, 2020 @05:25AM (#23572715)
Many homeless people have problems that prevent them from just pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
Re:On Cultures That Build by marcus_holmes on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:48PM (#23578227)
I get that. But for a lot of those problems, the only person who can solve them is the person themselves. Addiction being the prime example; the only person who can stop you being addicted to something is you. Other people can help, sure, but at the end of the day it's your willingness to change that counts.