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Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by artursapek on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:12PM (#23570580)
It sounds like Apple is requiring IAP integration. I think that's what DHH is upset about.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by paxys on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:15PM (#23570591)
Sure, but I don't see any major downsides in having to add IAP and getting the same subscription fees from people who use it as everyone else. I'd say giving users more options is always good.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by brandon272 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:07AM (#23570871)
One major downside is that once you implement IAP in a cross platform proudct, you then have a different class of subscriptions occurring and being managed outside your platform. Subscriptions which have to conform to Apple's policies around renewal and cancellation. This introduces business, backend and accounting considerations.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by jonas21 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:59PM (#23570829)
The issue is that you're not allowed to link to the non-IAP option from the app or even tell users that it exists.

If most users are unaware they have the option, it's not really an option.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by bduerst on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:45AM (#23571043)
>Sure, but I don't see any major downsides in having to add IAP

Technical debt, added complexity, additional user support, the overhead of having forked subscriptions in the userbase...

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by artursapek on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:19PM (#23570612)
I actually don't agree with DHH here, just pointing out the difference. I think Apple has every right to expect a cut of developer revenue given how much they invest in the iOS platform.
Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by brandon272 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:03AM (#23570850)
The iOS platform would not be viable without developers.

I think Apple has every right to expect developers to pay to be part of their platform, which they already charge for through an annual fee. Expecting a "cut" of every developer's "revenue", even when the product is a cross platform software product, seems extreme.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by scarface74 on Friday June 19, 2020 @03:37AM (#23572017)
Would you be okay if Apple charged more for developer fees? A per app fee? A per app update fee?

Can I pay a one time fee to get a product stocked at any retailer?

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by brandon272 on Friday June 19, 2020 @11:07AM (#23575222)
> Would you be okay if Apple charged more for developer fees? A per app fee? A per app update fee?

Yes, I would be fine with any of those scenarios.

A $1,000 fee to add your app to the app store would be more preferable to me than a nebulous rule about taking 30% of my gross revenue and having Apple dictate to me what my overall business model needs to look like.

> Can I pay a one time fee to get a product stocked at any retailer?

To compare what is going on here with a traditional retail environment is really an apples and oranges comparison. If Apple wants to take my app, price it and sell it at markup, be my guest.

What they are doing is more like if Best Buy forced Nest to give it 30% of every Nest cloud subscription on Nest devices bought in Best Buy retail outlets. Or if Best Buy forced Apple to give it 30% of iCloud subscription fees for MacBooks sold from within Best Buy retail outlets, only after Apple implemented "Best Buy Payments" into it's MacOS software to ensure those fees were collected.

Re:Apple gave me the Hey treatment back in 2014 by scarface74 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:36PM (#23576863)
The 30% cut is a 43% markup. Price your app accordingly. You can even price your subscriptions differently depending on where they subscribe.

Apple tried exactly that - to let booksellers set their own prices and they just mark them up. That’s what the publishers wanted instead of Amazon’s pricing ebooks as a loss leader - devaluing the paperbacks and hardbacks. It was shot down by the justice department.