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Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by TomGullen on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:46AM (#23562140)
I find time spent on page is a great way to measure performance of redesigns on page. There are numerous actionable points.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by jwr on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:50AM (#23562163)
It might be, assuming two things:

1) That you actually care about this metric. I don't, I do not get paid by the number of minutes spent on pages, I get paid by the number of signed-up subscribers who use my software to make their workflow easier. I can (and prefer to) use bandit testing to measure the performance of redesigns.

2) that it can be reliably measured, which I don't think it can.

Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by TomGullen on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:53AM (#23562190)
We are a SaaS company also, and time spent reading manual/tutorial pages is important to us.

With regards to point two, being reliably measured sounds to me like perfection is the enemy of adequate. Perhaps in low volumes you can't measure certain stats like this reliabily but in large volumes I think it's useful.

Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by Arnt on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:13AM (#23562307)
Tom Gilb once said that "everything can be measured so accurately that the result is better than having no measurement at all" or words to that effect. I'm sure he phrased it better. In this case, some users aren't measured, which drags down the accuracy of the measurement.

Even if the numbers are off by quite a few per cent, I can easily see how some site operators might benefit from knowing e.g. that visitors close one tutorial much quicker than the others.

Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by srrr on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:33AM (#23562456)
As long as your measurement is a random sample everything is okay. Even if it is not, it is much more information than you had before. You just need to keep it in mind when evaluating conclusions. We are not talking about drug tails here and no one dies if the measurement is not 100% accurate.

I am able to measure everything 100% accurate. But this is really really expensive. It's a trade-of.

Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by XCSme on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:37AM (#23562488)
Unless your page is google.com, where more time spent on page means the experience is worse, not better.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by TomGullen on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:39AM (#23562501)
Context is important, and it's one metric amongst others that should be used.

The point is, there are clearly actionable points GA can offer. It's disingenuous to think there are not.

Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by XCSme on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:57AM (#23562629)
I agree, saying that there are no actionable points in GA is like saying analytics in general are useless.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by boomlinde on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:10AM (#23563781)
Counter example: I search for information on a subject. I get many interesting and relevant results and therefore spend more time on the page.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by XCSme on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:22AM (#23563919)
This makes it even more obvious that a longer or shorter session length is not clearly better or worse, it depends on a lot of other things.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by 72deluxe on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:05AM (#23562261)
Hook into onbeforeunload and call your own javascript to post back to your own site to let you know when they've left.
Re:Lightweight Alternatives to Google Analytics by TomGullen on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:08AM (#23562278)
I know how I'd do this, but have no reason to do it.