Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, including non-paying

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by pwdisswordfish2 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @08:36PM (#23558548)

Just because the peer-to-peer software known to you may suck does not mean that the concept of peer-to-peer is obsolete. Nevermind Wireguard and other known examples of peer-to-peer software that does not suck, consider that there is software you do not know about. The idea that "peer-to-peer" is Napster plus some list of crappy, widely known software fiddling around with DHTs and dreaming about "the next big thing" is nonsense. Peer-to-peer is just a design principle The term the parent comment used was "middle man" not man-in-the-middle. As for "E2EE", I have never seen djb even use that term. I see many untrustworthy "tech" companies using it though.

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Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by g-b-r on Thursday June 18, 2020 @01:45PM (#23565583)

I don't know what's going on here, I never said that any peer-to-peer software sucks or that the concept is obsolete, in fact I much prefer it if a system is distributed/peer-to-peer.

All I said and cared to stress, to avoid that someone reading this make mistaken assumptions about p2p software (although probably few of this site's users would run the risk), is that ^^^they don't, as you claimed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23554823 , automatically imply "encryption that a middle man cannot decrypt"^^^.

You admitted you don't even know what end-to-end encryption is, and apparently don't know much about encryption, what are you debating?

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> The term the parent comment used was "middle man" not man-in-the-middle

It's the same thing (unless the post author meant "a man of middle age")

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> As for "E2EE", I have never seen djb even use that term

You mean Daniel J. Bernstein with djb? Do you mean that you are actually knowledgeable about encryption? I don't mean to be insulting but it didn't seem so (and there wouldn't be anything bad in that), it's hard to believe that someone with basic familiarity with encryption wouldn't know what end-to-end encryption is.

If with "that term" you meant the E2EE acronym, I indeed wouldn't be surprised if Daniel J. Bernstein never used it, it's the first time I see it myself (but it obviously doesn't mean anything more than "end-to-end encryption").

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I don't know why you took it so personally, maybe I sounded aggressive in saying NO in uppercase, if so I'm sorry, it was just to make it more visible

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Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by pwdisswordfish2 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:54PM (#23567194)

I mean the term as it is being used by Zoom and others, not just the acronym. What I commented is that I am not interested in the term "end-to-end encryption". To me, at this point, it does not mean anything. It is no more meaningful than "cloud computing", "big data" or "AI". I prefer to read source code, not marketing copy. I want to know what something "does" not what it "is". The former is factual the later is potentially subjective. IMO, it is irrelevant what you or I know or do not know. No one really cares. Focus on the comment, not trying to make assumptions about the user who submitted it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051029045942/http://www.unc.ed...

Example comment: "Peer-to-peer is a viable design for videoconferencing for small groups. If one is concerned about a "middle man" then it is worth investigating a peer-to-peer design."

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Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by g-b-r on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:01PM (#23615711)

Bah (yes, looking at the source code instead of the description is a good advice, and to focus on the comments is another one, but I really lost you) (sorry for the late reply)

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