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Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by admax88q on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:53PM (#23553634)
Yeah what the fuck, that was some weird casual racism you don't expect to see on HN.
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Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by hakka-nyu-su on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:07PM (#23553822)
Except Eric is not any sort of govt or party representative.

He is a naturalized American of Chinese ancestry.

In history, this kind of scapegoating was counterproductive.

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by anonymousab on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:53PM (#23554453)
The CCP can and will exert pressure on family members to get expats and former citizens to do what they want. They're not the only country to do so, not by a long shot, but they are particularly brazen about it.

Though I think the CEO is less relevant than the critical amount of developers Zoom relies on that are directly living under and subject to CCP malfeasance.

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by justicezyx on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:09PM (#23554651)
> The CCP can and will exert pressure on family members to get expats and former citizens to do what they want.

Could you give a few such cases?

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by mthoms on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @05:38PM (#23557078)
Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by justicezyx on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:02PM (#23557305)
Summary: Chinese government harass the relatives of the fugitive corruption suspects to force these suspects to return voluntarily.

That's definitely one area the Chinese system is vastly behind the international standard. But this has not been conscious to me.

When I was a child, we had horror stories of people sentenced to death penalty and were executed on superficial charges that sexual misconduct. And my parents have witnessed detained thief were beaten like wild animals by policeman, and the thief's scream was heart far in the then poor village.

These measures can even escalate during "Yanda", a nationally-coordinated clampdown on criminal activities. In [1], it was noted: "China's execution rate increases dramatically during Yanda campaigns."

Such brutal national campaigns are dying down, the most recent one [2] has much less cruelty. And historically such campaigns enjoyed universal domestic support.

As of today, the Chinese government has a high degree of popular endorsement to use whatever not-too-out-of-line measures to bring back the corrupted businessman or former government officials, who are prosecuted by the public attorneys. Thanks a grain of national pride, i.e., "those corrupted bastard not only embezzled our money, and they escape to the country that is unfriendly and can be benefited from those fortune".

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/23639486?seq=1 [2] https://www.economist.com/china/2019/02/28/china-is-waging-a...

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by mthoms on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @10:31PM (#23559208)
I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your point is. Your response reads a bit like a defence of the practice, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt (since there's an obvious language issue).

I will say... it's curious to me that you seem to be well aware of such practices but still challenged the parent to provide examples (the implication being, that they were misinformed).

Why did you ask the parent to provide examples if you knew of some already? What's your motivation?

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by justicezyx on Thursday June 18, 2020 @01:59AM (#23560200)
#1 I was aware of the flaw in legal system. But the flaws I know was that the Chinese legal system was ineffective, inefficient, and quite a bit corrupted.

#2 I was not aware of the details of harassing on corruption suspects' relatives.

#3 I think it was reasonable to not able to link these 2 facts automatically together as self-evident.

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by anonymousab on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:56PM (#23557804)
I'm not at a desktop at the moment so I had to just Google for some examples. I was thinking of stuff like this:

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uses-family-members-to...

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that China is unique in doing this. They are simply much more openly aggressive and nonchalant about it.

EDIT: I also think it was both reasonable and correct for you to ask for examples. Superpowers do enough sketchy things that we don't need to be muddying the waters with made up claims.

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by admax88q on Thursday June 18, 2020 @01:20PM (#23565293)
Is the argument still that this man is a CCP agent because he comes from China? That's literally all the evidence that was provided in the parent post.

Do you not understand the racism behind assuming someone is a CCP agent based on nothing more than their race?

Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by analyst74 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:18PM (#23553967)
People also suspected Japanese Americans to be spies during WW2 and sent them to concentration camps. I hope we do not repeat the same mistakes.
Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by danso on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:07PM (#23553836)
Which German ambassador are you talking about?
Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by shaan1 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:52PM (#23555931)
no, its not racism. Almost all independent American company is banned in China. Thats racism. Google, FB..etc..etc.
Re:Zoom to bring end-to-end encryption to all users, includi... by briandear on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:05PM (#23553809)
Chinese is also a nationality and that does have relevance if the person has ties to Beijing and the CCP. If the founder were Russian and had ties to Moscow would we be complaining about “casual racism?” It’s racist to suggest racism when a Chinese is involved when similar accusations wouldn’t have been made if the situation were Russian.