Operating a Tor Relay

Re:Operating a Tor Relay by z3j4e on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @04:41AM (#23549224)

I think that is one of the reasons why in Germany a registered association named "Zwiebelfreunde e.V." (can be translated to "Onion friends") was founded.

By this it is a legal entity and legal trouble can be handled better than if its against a person but the members of the board still gets trouble with the law. Not long ago they were raided because they were treated as witnesses in a case. (Yes, in Germany even as a witness you can be raided ...)

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by guerby on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:54PM (#23553657)

In France we have at least one not-for-profit dedicated to operating Tor exit nodes:

https://nos-oignons.net/ (french) https://nos-oignons.net/%C3%80_propos/index.en.html

They host their nodes on not-for-profit ISP and friendly commercial ISP:

https://nos-oignons.net/Services/index.en.html

(0.57% exit probability)

They open or close (never happened yet) nodes based on donations:

https://nos-oignons.net/Donnez/index.en.html

Disclaimer: I'm a volunteer in one of the not-for-profit ISP hosting a nos-oignons node.

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by dx034 on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:35AM (#23549868)

Not just in Germany. US providers can also be forced to hand over data to be used in cases against others. It's just usually not done with a raid since providers will turn over data when asked.

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by jand on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @07:14AM (#23550092)

Just for context: This is relativly new in Germany. In 2017 there was a change which has as consequences

- witnesses _have to_ appear in person if requested (by police or DA)

- witnesses _have to_ make statements regarding the case at hand

This is quite a nice tool if you lack moral. You might request the suspect to appear as a witness and try to leverage the new requirements to make the suspect reveal damaging information.

Maybe this was the reason that Germany was mentioned before.

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by gruez on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @09:29AM (#23551110)

>This is quite a nice tool if you lack moral. You might request the suspect to appear as a witness and try to leverage the new requirements to make the suspect reveal damaging information.

Germany doesn't have protections against self-incrimination? Or does this rely on the suspect being too cooperative for his own good?

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by Certhas on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @10:47AM (#23552071)

Germany does have such protection. Parent was probably wildly speculating:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auskunftsverweigerungsrecht

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by codethief on Friday June 19, 2020 @08:21PM (#23580324)

I think you meant to link to https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aussageverweigerungsrecht . Auskunftsverweigerungsrecht, according to the article, is a right of witnesses.

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by Certhas on Saturday June 20, 2020 @04:27AM (#23582614)

We were talking about the rights of witnesses?

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by codethief on Sunday June 21, 2020 @05:37PM (#23595622)

I was referring to this question by the grandparent which I read as being about a suspect's (not a witness's) rights:

> Germany doesn't have protections against self-incrimination?

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Re:Operating a Tor Relay by codethief on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @08:22AM (#23550494)

Do you have a source for that and/or an article where they elaborate on the implications of those changes?

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