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Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by WalterBright on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:24AM (#23536727)
> The SAT has always generally been a test showing how well you prepared for the SAT.

I've heard that claim a lot, but never accompanied by evidence.

Nobody I knew prepped for the SAT, and many got into top schools. Unless you count paying attention in math class, and reading adult level books "prepping".

Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by throwadmisons1 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:52AM (#23539114)
I wasn't sure where to look for hard evidence for the claim, and I would love to see data showing the average SAT scores over time on a per-school basis. But this at least shows how admission rates have been consistently decreasing over (recent) time: https://www.ivywise.com/ivywise-knowledgebase/admission-stat...

I think it's reasonable to assume that the increased competitiveness in admissions leads to increasingly competitive attempts to game the admissions process.

Whether or not the original claim is true, I think it's certainly true that an increasing amount of cost and effort has gone into SAT prep. Certainly, that was my experience (if we're comparing anecdotes). Everyone I knew in the top percentile of my HS prepped for the SAT, and that was in the early 2000s. Based on one of your other comments, it seems that your personal experience was in the 70s -- how reflective do you think that is of the admissions process today?

Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by WalterBright on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:03PM (#23543400)
> how reflective do you think that is of the admissions process today?

The college students I know today didn't prep for it, either, and one was accepted by Stanford and Caltech.

I've seen some claims that the SATs have been "dumbed down" or "re-normed" since the 70s. Certainly, the number of students who apply to elite colleges has increased substantially, which means there will be more with perfect scores.

Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by learc83 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:13AM (#23539355)
That was a while ago though as you've stated elsewhere. The percentage of kids who score perfect or near perfect scores has gone up dramatically over the last 20 years.

https://www.compassprep.com/great-to-good-the-diluted-value-...

My scores where good enough to get in almost anywhere in the 2000s, but they're barley above the 50th percentile at our flagship state university now.

It's unlikely that the average intelligence of high schoolers has increased that much. It's much more likely that people have figured out how to prepare for the SAT.

Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by affyboi on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:31PM (#23543695)
There's a whole industry that also got built around test prep, and it's pretty lucrative. the tutor that my friends and I had was really expensive, and she consistently had kids that were scoring near perfect on the SAT and ACT.
Re:Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions ... by WalterBright on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:54PM (#23543972)
Be careful about inferring that any gaming taught by the tutor made the difference. If the tutor was simply teaching the math needed, that would be fine.

The math needed to ace the SAT is taught in high school. If you slide by on that, you'll probably need a math tutor to make up for it. Or you can choose to learn the math presented in high school.