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Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by eanzenberg on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:36PM (#23521981)
This is so strange. If you use facebook, google, netflix, apple, microsoft, amazon, tesla or a whole host of other products and services you are interfacing with AI all the time, sometimes as the core product of the service. To think there’s no value there is asinine. Comes up a lot on HN. Seems like people who get excited for these types of articles are set in their ways and don’t want to progress forward.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by loopz on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:57PM (#23522132)
Yet, every "suggestion" is infinitely worse than "My List", that I curated for myself. Interface hiding the fact of dwindling library and quality of content. Chronology gets perverted with random posts that later can't be easily navigated or referenced. Menu-items unexpectedly fade in and out for unclear reasons and lack of anticipation. In many cases these improvements are to user's detriment and confusion, worsening interface, UX and value for money proposition. In too many areas, end user is themselves the target, for ads, manipulation, propaganda, manufactured outrage and lies.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by tomp on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:50PM (#23522080)
Aside from possibly Google, all of these products / services would have just as much, if not more, value without any AI beyond basic statistics.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by logicslave on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:53PM (#23522099)
Amazon retail is currently in the process of baking advanced deep learning models into every area of their retail process. Its all becoming automated. Just because its not talked about openly doesnt mean its not happening
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by stjo on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:56PM (#23522122)
I think the engineers with access to their data know their job. Surely they run a/b tests and know for sure AI improves their metric of choice.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by hamsterbooster on Sunday June 14, 2020 @09:49PM (#23523084)
Many AI systems are used in the backend to increase revenue. Netflix has a very complex recommendation algorithm based on deep learning/statistics. Amazon uses a lot of machine learning to optimize transportation (NP-hard problem!) , sales, etc..
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:32PM (#23523241)
A while ago I watched a 4-part documentary about the every-day lives of ancient Egyptians. Pretty interesting.[1]

For weeks after that my recommendations were filled with bullshit such as "PROOF ALIENS BUILT THE PYRAMIDS!" and such.

So yeah, maybe those "very complex recommendation algorithm based on deep learning/statistics" is perhaps not always such a great idea. In this particular case, it's just a mere annoyance for me, but imagine a 13-year old watching a few genuine documentary videos on Egypt and then seeing this bullshit; they don't have the capacity I have to see it's bullshit.

And imagine if it was on a more serious topic than who built the pyramids...

If I were to ask a YouTube engineer "why did I get this recommendation specifically?" then the answer would probably be "dunno".

An additional issue is that the YouTube of yesteryear was much better in browsing random videos. Now everything is based on what I've watched before, instead of just "give me a list of science videos" or whatnot. This is also an issue I have with Netflix (or rather, had, since I no longer have an account).

It seems to me that inscrutable mindless AI learning has a part in the spread of misinformation and bullshit. I'm not sure how large that part is, but I suspect it's significant. I'm hesitant of the total value in these cases, regardless of what it may do for the bottom line in terms of revenue.

[1]: I'll just drop the link to it here in case anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnsNwwwHm2I

Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by arethuza on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:52AM (#23525983)
My biggest issue with YouTube is that it shows me adverts for the same product for a about 2 months at a time and I therefore end up hating those products and would never buy them.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by cageface on Sunday June 14, 2020 @10:24PM (#23523218)
My tastes may be a bit hard to model but I don't get any value from Netflix's recommendation algorithm at all. I find new things on Netflix by reading human curated reviews online and then searching for titles by name.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by foldr on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:28AM (#23526203)
>Netflix has a very complex recommendation algorithm based on deep learning/statistics

And yet, it's harder to find anything to watch than it was when they'd just let you browse by genre.

Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by eanzenberg on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:44PM (#23534372)
More importantly, Netflix is using AI and data to determine where to invest next in acquiring content or producing original content.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by ppod on Sunday June 14, 2020 @09:10PM (#23522902)
That's an illusory distinction.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by stephc_int13 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:58PM (#23522138)
So far, I have not been impressed by what Google/FB/Amazon/Microsoft/Apple have done with ML and the oceans of data they have.

Mostly boring statistical analysis wrapped in a very power inefficient way.

Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by ashtonkem on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:43PM (#23522024)
This strikes me more of people pushing back against the hype than a genuine belief that AI is worthless.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by eanzenberg on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:37PM (#23521988)
You may even argue that the richest companies of the western world have AI as their core product. May be causation vs. correlation though.
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by sk0g on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:39PM (#23522000)
It's the cycle of AI. Breakthroughs -> it's going to automate EVERYTHING -> wait maybe not -> breakthroughs...
Re:An understanding of AI’s limitations is starting to sink in by robbrown451 on Sunday June 14, 2020 @06:59PM (#23522144)
Nah, those aren't AI.... well, not to those who define AI as "things that can be done by humans but not by machines, done by machines." :)

It's quite the exercise in goalpost moving.