Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,...
by pas on Saturday June 13, 2020 @01:20PM
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A causal link might be still there, but the theory might only explain a few percent of the variance, due to many other (confounding) factors.
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Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,...
by bjourne on Sunday June 14, 2020 @01:45PM
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Not sure what variance has to do with it? Thing is, you can always "patch" an X leads to Y theory when faced with opposing evidence by blaming confounding factors. But that is not very scientific. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,...
by pas on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:32AM
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Sure, you're right (also https://www.gwern.net/Causality#overview-the-current-situati... )
I'm just trying to say that very few things are actually that causal in big complex systems. I'm trying to say that such issues are very likely have many-many factors, and we see an aggregate effect.
And so in case of such aggregates arguing for-against them with very simple first-order reasoning is kind of useless. Because each piece of data (supporting or counter evidence) just explains a part of the big picture. So, without accounting for all data we can't really make general statements about what causes the aggregate effect that we see.
Re:Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century,...
by bjourne on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @04:58AM
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Yes, we can use "very simple first-order reasoning" even when we argue about very complex problems. If you say that "swans are white" it is enough for me to find a single black swan to prove your hypothesis wrong.
That is exactly what is being done here.