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Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by baybal2 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @01:54AM (#23507165)
> Companies that work to suppress the rights of citizens are complicit in that suppression and its legality is irrelevant.

100% true. American corporations, and businessmen who collaborated with NSDAP in jew gassing "because it was the law," well, just did what they did. It made them genocide collaborators, and criminals regardless if they did it under the law, or not.

As ancient Romans were saying "a crime can be a tiny stone in a bag of flour."

Slavery is a crime, even if it is not unlawful in a last few countries practicing it.

People who go rape children in places, where, well, child rape is not illegal are committing a crime.

Dotcoms who go play ball with criminal states, which make a crime lawful under a law, claiming "we just follow the law!" even if the law itself is criminal, are just as decidedly criminal.

A crime can not be made less criminal under a law for sane person's moral judgement. I would say, a crime that was legislated, makes it an even bigger crime.

A word crime in a sense as a fault, as something objectively morally reprehensible itself underlines that a wrongdoing is discerned through a thorough judgement rejecting anything that is made to hide, "wrap around," or divert focus from the original fault.

Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by 6AA4FD on Saturday June 13, 2020 @03:09AM (#23507482)
I don't disagree with your sentiment, but whether or not people doing morally reprehensible (but legal) things in third reich germany were criminals was a substantial point of contention for legal philosophers of that time.
Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by blackoil on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:05AM (#23507222)
Say a 21 year old Indian goes to London and drinks some whiskey, is it a crime? because, it is a crime in India!
Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by baybal2 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:27AM (#23507298)
I'd say the meaning of a crime has drifted over centuries. The criteria of a crime has shifted from something very objective, to more casuistics of all kinds.

It got from something what would've gotten somebody onto pitchforks upon a first sight, to long and arduous arguing about textual meaning of laws, rather than long, and arduous moral judgement of early Greco-Roman trials

Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by vinay427 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:38AM (#23507345)
While your points stands, it's not actually a crime in several states in India.

Source, unfortunately lacking references in some places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_India

Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by vertis on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:25AM (#23507294)
Or for that matter an 18 yr old US citizen visiting UK/Australia where the drinking age is different. Or the reverse of Australians using Cannabis while in the US.
Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:36AM (#23507337)
> A word crime in a sense as a fault, as something objectively morally reprehensible itself

If you want to appeal to a “crime” beyond what people decide is wrong, you are starting to smuggle in an objective moral standard. I think that is hard without appealing to a God or gods.

Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by baybal2 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:48AM (#23507397)
> I think that is hard without appealing to a God or gods.

You know, people used to do so.

Even without that, the loss of objective examination of a fault as a key discerning factor for a justice system was to the detriment of justice.

This leads to a situation when even supreme court judges of countries are being confused by hundreds of contradictory laws of modern legal systems, and can not simply say what is the overall meaning of the law on a given subject without spending hours on research, and writing a lengthy opinion.

Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by chrismcb on Saturday June 13, 2020 @02:52AM (#23507414)
Morality and crime aren't the same thing. So yes, a crime can be made more or less criminal under a law. That is by definition.
Re:Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at Chi... by baybal2 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @03:01AM (#23507445)
Whose definition? I think, a century spent under nation state governments has erased the line in between the illegal, and criminal.