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Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:12AM (#23495944)
Nationally accredited. Not regionally accredited. Hence useless for academic purposes.
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by uopeoplestudent on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:17AM (#23495967)
Not true. There are schools which will consider nationally accredited degrees for admissions into graduate schools. Even the University of Chicago will consider them.

However, it's potential utilization is much, much more diminished compared to a no-name state school.

This might change when (if) they acquire regional accreditation, but they've only just started the process. Thus, it could take upwards of 5 years.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:19AM (#23495978)
Not really. It's a story that nationally accredited schools like to tell, but it's not really true.

Regionally accredited schools simply don't take credits from schools that aren't.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by uopeoplestudent on Friday June 12, 2020 @12:43AM (#23496103)
I know several students who've transferred to WGU (RA, non-profit, online) to complete their bachelors degrees.

There are also students compiling lists of schools which will consider and/or accept UoPeople credits/degrees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UoPeople/comments/g55smv/list_of_in...

The idea that UoPeople is some kind of academic dead-end is simply not accurate. It's not going to get as far as a degree from a no-name state uni on its own, but it can definitely be leveraged to further one's goals.

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Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by uopeoplestudent on Friday June 12, 2020 @01:15AM (#23496268)
> You're deluding yourself, as people who go to these dead end institutions often do. You're of course free to do so, but if you think you are actually going to a real university, you're going to be in bad shape.

I am curious. Why do you think I'm deluding myself? What do I stand to gain?

I've already stated elsewhere that my pursuit of this degree is purely for the love of learning. I've also stated that I already have an existing bachelor's degree from an RA school. I even have grad school experience--again from an RA school. I don't need this degree for anything.

I don't benefit anything from deluding myself. However, I do think it's important for other students to have a realistic understanding of how they can benefit from UoPeople and what its limitations are.

By saying "credit don't actually transfer" you're spreading misinformation. They do. They have.

Will they transfer to most RA schools? Probably not. Will they transfer to some, including some prestigious schools? Yes. These are facts. And it helps provide a realistic perspective to potential and/or existing students.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:42AM (#23498623)
You probably benefit, we don't know who you are. It looks to me like you're shilling. You're a new account that exists solely to shill for your school that advertises itself as free but isn't, and advertises itself as accredited but isn't.

ymmv.

And I don't know what you consider "prestigious", I don't consider WGU prestigious.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by uopeoplestudent on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:01AM (#23499923)
> your school that advertises itself as free but isn't

Tuition free, which it is.

https://www.uopeople.edu/tuition-free/what-is-tuition-free/

"UoPeople’s Tuition-Free Model is 100% real! We offer degree programs absolutely tuition-free, thanks to our generous donors who support our mission. To help support the university’s continued operation, UoPeople charges a $60 application fee, and an Assessment Fee per course completed ($100 for the undergraduate programs, and $200 for the graduate programs). That’s it. No annual enrollment fees, and no cost for course material. For those who cannot afford these fees, scholarships are available to help support their studies."

> advertises itself as accredited but isn't.

Nationally accredited, which it is. Here's what the US Department of Education says: "Accredited since (01/16/2014)"

https://ope.ed.gov/dapip/#/institution-profile/233675

> I don't consider WGU prestigious.

UC Berkeley is fairly prestigious, no?

https://www.ecampusnews.com/2016/04/22/uop-partners-with-uc-...

Sure, new account could be a shill. I understand the skepticism, but I think I've provided enough throughout my various comments here to demonstrate that I'm a student while also maintaining my privacy.

You don't have to agree, but at the very least you can stop spreading misinformation about the school.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:09AM (#23500010)
I'm not.

It's not tuition free, it has "fees" that replace tuition, and its accreditation is worthless, and the school goes to great lengths not to make that clear to its applicants.

And your "UC Berkeley" statement says "will consider", not will admit and not will transfer. It's very very mealy mouthed in terms of whether anyone actually gets in.

You're the one with the incentive to spread misinformation, and that's exactly what you're doing.

What would my incentive be? I've got multiple actual accredited degrees I'm working on another. What does explaining what this school is actually doing benefit me in any way? "National accreditation" is essentially worthless. This is known in the academic community, it is less well known to the people institutions like this prey on. I personally know people who have been taken by these institutions and I don't like to see it happen to people.

All I'm doing is telling people the misinformation you're feeding them.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by uopeoplestudent on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:46AM (#23500381)
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.

Report me, then.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:10AM (#23496824)
Stanford CS is not accredited at all. Is it useless for academic purposes?
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:40AM (#23498609)
Stanford doesn't need accreditation. Neither does Harvard. You're not seriously comparing the two, are you?
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:56AM (#23498717)
Yes?

You said 'Nationally accredited. Not regionally accredited. Hence useless for academic purposes.'

But, as Stanford and Harvard show us, being neither nationally nor regionally accredited does not make it useless for academic purposes. Saying they don't need accreditation - yeah that was my point.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:49AM (#23499753)
By stating this, you are claiming that this fly-by-night unknown is like Stanford and Harvard. Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are the standards, and have set those standards for (Harvard anyway) nearly 400 years.

When this college has been around and is known as one of the most prestigious colleges on the planet for 400 years, then we can talk about it not needing accreditation. Until then, you're being disingenuous at best by pretending they exist in the same conversation.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:53AM (#23499803)
I don't think you understand. The reason this college is useless for academic purposes is nothing to do with its accreditation - it's to do with its reputation.

We know accreditation is irrelevant, as other colleges do fine with out. You can be accredited and have a reputation, or you can be not accredited and have a reputation, or you can be accredited and not have a reputation, or you can be not accredited and not have a reputation.

The two things are entirely independent.

Almost nobody (notable exception probably the government) cares if your college is accredited or not. When you say you have a Stanford degree nobody goes 'wait is that accredited?'

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:25AM (#23500167)
You're making an argument from absurdity, and you're wrong.

Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet. Stanford is regionally accredited by the way, I'm not sure why you keep arguing they're not (your confusion is probably that they dropped their ABET accreditation in CS which is not required for CS although some universities do maintain it). Actually, now that I went back and looked it up, even Harvard is accredited, as is every other ranked university I looked up -- Carnegie Mellon is accredited, Georgia Tech is accredited, MIT is accredited.

The two things are entirely independent, you're correct -- but you're making an argument that isn't supportable in comparing the premiere universities on the planet who could, if they wanted, theoretically, eschew the concept of accreditation because they don't need to prove anything about their curriculum with a college that has nothing -- no accreditation, no reputation, nothing at all.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:37AM (#23500305)
> and you're wrong ... even Harvard is accredited

Lol you're the one who told me it wasn't! You said 'Neither does Harvard.'

> Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet

No, they don't need accreditation because nobody cares about accreditation.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:46AM (#23500374)
Please don't cut sections out of what I wrote and deceptively edit it to make it look like I said something entirely different.

I said your argument is wrong and that Stanford, which you claimed was not accredited, is in fact accredited, and you are confused about what accreditation means, as ABET accreditation is not what we're talking about, but regional accreditation, which is the standard.

Most CS programs are not ABET accredited and do not find it necessary.

I had been told before that Harvard was not accredited and that was clearly incorrect, so I also corrected that in my comment with the information I found when I looked it up.

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:47AM (#23500392)
Have you ever applied to a job and been asked if your college was accredited?

Have you ever hired someone and stopped to check if their college was accredited?

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:54AM (#23500460)
Why would someone ask? The information is available. And if I see a degree from a university I don't recognize and then discover it's unaccredited, sure, that's a red flag. You can't get employment in my industry without a degree from a regionally accredited university.
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @11:55AM (#23500466)
What industry are you in? I guess it isn't CS, because you don't even need a degree here. And the context of this thread is CS.
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:04PM (#23503239)
Software Engineering, and in my industry you have to have a degree. You simply won't get hired otherwise.
Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by chrisseaton on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:15PM (#23503389)
Lol even Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Google all hire without needing a degree. You can go all the way to the top here with no degree.

Don’t believe the people telling you you need accreditation!

Re:University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online... by jki275 on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:26PM (#23503518)
I know they will do that on occasion, for an outstanding candidate.

But the vast majority of their work force has a real degree from an accredited university, and you know it.