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Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by jl6 on Thursday June 11, 2020 @05:52PM (#23493675)
I still have never seen a concrete example of a job which is clearly a bullshit job. Any suggestions?
Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by prepend on Thursday June 11, 2020 @11:30PM (#23495752)
I think of as these rent-seeking organizations that don’t provide value and don’t need to exist.

For example, Elsevier has this monopoly on publishing so they need to hire staff to manage everything. Those staff do real jobs- accounting, sales, IT, etc- but there is not value created. So I might call that bullshit.

Layer of layer of real functions and interdependencies of people and groups all costing and resulting in salaries. But if you entirely removed every Elsevier job from existence it could be replaced by scihub with minimal disruption.

Poof all the jobs could disappear. I think of meaningful jobs as those that create some objective value.

Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by czzr on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:29AM (#23499006)
Where does scihub get the papers from, in this scenario?
Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by jimbokun on Friday June 12, 2020 @02:13PM (#23502005)
From the researchers.
Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by aspaceman on Thursday June 11, 2020 @06:02PM (#23493755)
Has always seemed like a rhetorical device to me. In effect no job is actually bullshit since if it was it would be eliminated. The truest "bullshit" job is one where you are absolutely irreplacable for a single, trivial piece of knowledge. I.E. I'm the only one who can print the records at the end of the year, and otherwise I do (practically) nothing. That's how I've always thought of it, but others may disagree.

Often times it feels like a way for creatives and engineers who make the product to express some (rightful) resentment towards the folks who manage people and business.

Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by watwut on Friday June 12, 2020 @04:01AM (#23497091)
Corporations are not effective and useless positions are not necessary eliminated.
Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by SuoDuanDao on Friday June 12, 2020 @03:07PM (#23502534)
There's also jobs that exist as the result of Moloch traps, e.g. many corporations need to keep a lot of lawyers on staff because their competitors are litigious. If they all agreed to be less litigious, they could all realise a huge net savings. I imagine much of advertising is similar, albeit in a less straightforward way.
Re:MIT Ends Elsevier Negotiations by dd36 on Thursday June 11, 2020 @11:17PM (#23495671)