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Re:I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC by stickfigure on Thursday June 11, 2020 @01:47AM (#23485558)
This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term. Also, it's something of a minor nit - nonprofit corporations need revenue too.

My wife is a nurse for Dignity Health (another "nonprofit" hospital here in California) and has been effectively laid off for the last couple months. It's great that the ER is empty, but in the mean time nurses are struggling and people aren't getting their cancer screenings. If this goes on long enough, our healthcare system will fall apart from atrophy, not from overuse.

Re:I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC by unishark on Thursday June 11, 2020 @02:06AM (#23485650)
> This fact is missing something essential; Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term.

Why is that? You don't think they lay people off in Canada or Japan when there's no patients? Even single-payer systems can have private hospitals. They are simply paid by the govt instead of (or really in addition to) by patients. They still need business and to balance the books.

Canada has a similar mix of all kinds of hospitals like the US, though it may be more slanted in some way.

Re:I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC by fraserharris on Thursday June 11, 2020 @03:34AM (#23486138)
Kaiser Permanente is a conglomerate that is a consortium of for-profit and not-for-profit entities. The health plans (insurance) and hospitals are not-for-profit. The physicians are organized into for-profit partnerships.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente#Operations

Re:I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC by hcknwscommenter on Thursday June 11, 2020 @02:21AM (#23485731)
>Kaiser Permanente is a nonprofit but it sure isn't what you think of when you use that term.

Huh? It is exactly what I think of when I use the term non-profit in the context of a healthcare maintenance organization. I truly have no idea what you mean by your quoted statement.

Re:I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC by rscho on Thursday June 11, 2020 @02:58AM (#23485917)
He/she means: KP generates a lot of money for some important people, and their marketing and management strategy is as aggressive as for-profit institutions