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Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:23PM (#23470482)
I read another comment elsewhere with which I totally agree. I think we're at a tipping point in the US where if the slogan was "End the War on Drugs" you're likely to get majority support, and ending the war on drugs would do more than any single thing to bring about social justice in the US.

Contrast that with "defund the police", the goals of which are amorphous even from its supporters, and if you don't think calls to defund the police are met with stares and questions like "are you insane" in any place besides mid-to-large urban areas in the US, you really need to pop your social bubble.

For better or for worse in a democracy you need to convince the majority (or near majority) of the population over to your side. The slogan "defund the police" is not the way to do it.

Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by eric_b on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:25PM (#23470509)
Yes! "End the War on Drugs" is exactly the kind of thing that could get meaningful traction and has a relatively concrete set of goals.
Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by gremlinsinc on Wednesday June 10, 2020 @12:26AM (#23473908)
How about end incarceration for non-violent offenses?

Drugs, Shop-lifting, DUI, Robbery (unarmed), Prostitution, Protesting, etc...

We have tech to monitor ppl wherever they go, we could easily monitor these people w/ ankle bracelets etc and make sure they're behaving. We could require them to go to therapy and figure out the root of why they do what they do, you know what you'd do w/ a child who's acting out and misbehaving....

Maybe we curtail a lot of issues.... Save prison for pedophiles, rapists, murderers, assaults, etc....

Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by Fjolsvith on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:46PM (#23470715)
Probably still confusing in any place besides mid-to-large urban areas in the US.
Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:51PM (#23470756)
Thanks to the opioid epidemic, this is no longer true. There are huge swaths of rural and Rust Belt America that now realize that the criminal justice approach to a drug problem is counter productive.
Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by adamsea on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:31PM (#23470562)
That’s actually not true about convincing the majority.

A minority has had outsize political influence in the US for a decade or two now. Because of the electoral college and because of gerrymandering.

Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by adamsea on Thursday June 18, 2020 @03:42PM (#23567001)
OK I admit pique and curiosity at the downvote. There are mathematical models which can be used to measure gerrymandering.

And the way in which the Electoral college disempowers lots of people (a vote in an 8 million person city counts less than one in Ohio, or a small town in Wisconsin) is easily verifiable.

One might disagree with ethical implications which can be drawn from these facts, but, these facts are facts, and there's even math to back it up.

http://math.cmu.edu/~wes/gerrymandering.html

https://math.duke.edu/news/electoral-plot-detecting-gerryman...

Re:The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police by twblalock on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:45PM (#23470696)
Most people are sympathetic to the protests but that doesn't mean there won't be a "law and order" backlash if they feel changes to policing are making them less safe. It's definitely happened before.