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Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by david38 on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:03AM (#23457089)
You just refuted your own argument. Blacks in Africa do better than blacks in America. What changed? Did their DNA change? Did they get smaller brains?

They now live in an environment not conducive to their success.

To clarify, let’s take color out of the picture. Let’s say we’re talking about some poor, southern white town.

What do you often get? Generational poverty. If you were to talk to some, you might be turned off. These aren’t polished people. Poor decision making, often backed up with “what different will it make”.

Look at the history of Flint, Michigan. There are many others. It doesn’t take a lot to destabilize a community.

I do agree with that victimhood isn’t helpful. There is a tendency towards that recently, so let’s put the media aside.

Go talk to a few black people who are analytical like you. Talk to a few of different ages, from different parts of the country, etc. It might be informative, it might not. It’s a better place to start than the news.

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by ReticentVole on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:54PM (#23463489)
No - Blacks in America very clearly do better than Blacks in Africa. Middle class income in Nigeria is about $7,000/year.

https://resource-recycling.com/e-scrap/wp-content/uploads/si...

I don't understand how you could misinterpret my post to such a degree.

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by rbinv on Monday June 08, 2020 @04:51AM (#23454842)
> The problems of the African-American community are mostly their own, and mostly cultural.

Wow.

> If there was significant systemic bias, then African migrants to the USA would not outperform African-Americans so significantly

Maybe people who successfully migrate to the US are not your average kind of person? There are a lot of hurdles to overcome (financially, too), so it's probably somewhat skewed.

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by hrktb on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:00AM (#23454896)
> Nigerian immigrant median household income: $60,000. Ghanaian: $66,000

> African American: $41,000

Isn't this just pointing at the US being a worse place to grow for people of color, more than anything ?

That would also explain crime rates, and a lot of other things. I don't see how that excludes systemic racism.

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by SiempreViernes on Monday June 08, 2020 @04:55AM (#23454866)
Oh, I guess you didn't see any of the "unarmed" deGrasse used in his text (It was only six times, once more than the word "die"). You should know the text is about police killings of unarmed people, nobody is really arguing about the shoot outs at the moment.
Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by h0l0cube on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:01AM (#23454902)
> There are ways to help African Americans,

I think any practical suggestions would be welcome. If this isn't simply rhetoric, then why hold back?

> but presenting an endless narrative of victimhood is not it.

There are a number of ways you can slice the data to support either narrative of victimhood or oppression, but referring back to the OP - it's worth a read - Neil's anecdotal experience and that of his contemporaries are sobering. Where I live I've not once been pulled over randomly, not even with such tenuous justifications.

> 49% of Black children live in single-mother households

Curious about this statistic. What's your source?

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by Traster on Monday June 08, 2020 @04:56AM (#23454875)
Step 1. Systematically lock up african american men through unequal enforcement of laws, invention of bullshit pretexts (see "crack" vs "cocaine"[1]), and racist policing.

Step 2. Use the lack of male role models in the household as an explanation for why african americans are culturally inferior.

[1]https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by ReticentVole on Monday June 08, 2020 @06:51AM (#23455451)
On that point I will definitely agree. We need to end the drug war. Legalise and regulate marijuana, and decriminalise all other drugs. If there is single policy which marginalises and unfairly impacts the working class and particularly African-Americans, it is current drug policies.

But who, in the midst of all this, is putting the pressure on to reverse drug policy?

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by lookupthere on Monday June 08, 2020 @06:59AM (#23455489)
I think the point is that you are defining systemic racism wrongly if it excludes the drug war.

I always thought systemic racism means the policies that lead up to this. I never interpreted it to mean that if we look at the data for a particular institution, we will discover evidence that individuals within that institution are conspiring against black people.

Like, the drug war and mass incarceration ARE the systemic racism...

Re:Reflections on the color of my skin by BLKNSLVR on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:08AM (#23454929)
Sounds as if the US has a problem with unfettered access to firearms, which has flow on effects that justify questionable police behaviour alongside making policing itself much more life threatening than it would otherwise be.

I wonder if that will get looked into.