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Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by thisiszilff on Sunday June 07, 2020 @09:15PM (#23452641)
It is important to note that this isn't just about police brutality. There are a number of racial disparities that result in more black deaths. From the letter:

> lack people suffer from dramatic health disparities in life expectancy, maternal and infant mortality, chronic medical conditions, and outcomes from acute illnesses like myocardial infarction and sepsis. Biological determinants are insufficient to explain these disparities. They result from long-standing systems of oppression and bias which have subjected people of color to discrimination in the healthcare setting, decreased access to medical care and healthy food, unsafe working conditions, mass incarceration, exposure to pollution and noise, and the toxic effects of stress.

So 1k-2k per year would be a low estimate. Some will correctly point out that that 1k-2k killed by police includes people that are committing violent crimes (ie, killing them may not be unjust). The response to that argument is to look at the intersection of poverty and race to see how systemic racism drives crime in black communities.

Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by banads on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:01PM (#23452873)
Indeed, white people in the US on average live 3.5 years longer than black people in the US.[1]

Did you know that an even greater health/life expectancy disparity exists between men and women?

One gender on average lives 5.1 years longer than the other.[2]

>decreased access to medical care and healthy food, unsafe working conditions, mass incarceration, exposure to pollution and noise, and the toxic effects of stress.

Likewise all of these issues affect men disproportionately compared to women.

Why is it so popular to talk about these same issues as systemic oppression against group X (relative to group Y), while ignoring or the fact that those same issues affect group XY, often to an even greater degree (relative to group XX)?

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_Unite...

[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_ex...

Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by thisiszilff on Sunday June 07, 2020 @11:59PM (#23453450)
To be perfectly upfront with my own beliefs, I believe economic disparities is the mother of all other disparities and that many of these statistics that show disparities in outcomes for whites vs blacks are just echos of that economic disparity. That, I think, is the core disparity and the core way in which "the system" oppresses people across generations.

That being said, I don't think gender is a good counterpoint given that biology does have a significant role in some disparities in outcomes for men & women (for example life expectancy). With race, as cited in the letter, biological explanations aren't enough to explain the differences.

> Why is it so popular to talk about these same issues as systemic oppression against group X (relative to group Y), while ignoring or the fact that those same issues affect group XY, often to an even greater degree (relative to group XX)?

Speculatively, with respect to blacks in America, I'm going to guess that it isn't any single issue that is concerning, but the totality of them. Yes, a given issue X might affect group Y more than it does blacks, but blacks in the US as a population are affected by multiple such issues and I can't think of many areas where they have a leg up over other groups.

Re:America is giving up on the pandemic? by banads on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:31AM (#23457376)
>To be perfectly upfront with my own beliefs, I believe economic disparities is the mother of all other disparities and that many of these statistics that show disparities in outcomes for whites vs blacks are just echos of that economic disparity.

I agree my friend, thank you for the measured response.

>given that biology does have a significant role in some disparities in outcomes for men & women (for example life expectancy)

How do we know biology is the most significant factor that causes women to live longer than men?

How do we know biology is not a significant factor that causes white people to live longer than black people? It's a biological fact that black people in the US suffer greatly from vitamin D deficiency[1]

[1]https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2019/09/24/african-americans...