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Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech by 6AA4FD on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:34PM (#23451583)
It's true that many moral intuitions we have end up seeming immoral when we reflect on them further, but this says as much about our difficulty with reasoning morally as it does about the supposed immorality of our moral intuitions. I think it's naive to assume that philosophical or logical approaches have a monopoly on morality. That being said, I also think it's unproductive to outright dismiss any moral appeal on the grounds that you would not be happy with implementing its conclusion. Moral philosophers writ large willingly engage with Kantian ethics that be easily interpreted to preclude contracts[0] as well as Singer who advocates for the (disabled) infanticide.[1] Even if we might disagree with a given conclusion, the ultimate object of moral discussion is moral progress, and this does not need to come in the form of final agreement on a principle to be followed in the future. It can come in the form of mutual understanding, education of onlookers, or greater theoretical development even in opposing directions. Implying that someone's conclusion (which I might add is not more extreme or inoperable in its conclusion than many offered by Marx, Kant, Aristotle, Hume, Plato, etc... it is after all only refusing to provide services to the police) is unpalatable for you and denigrating it to an arbitrary opinion is probably detrimental to all of these goals and I urge you to desist with such a tactic.

[0]: On the grounds that when you give someone something in exchange for a promise of theirs that you are using them as a means to an end. [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1999/09/11/a...

Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech by jessriedel on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:03AM (#23454012)
You're now resorting to name-calling, so I'm going to end my involvement with this discussion.
Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech by 6AA4FD on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:55PM (#23458897)
That was absolutely not my intent, do you mind clarifying what part of my post you are referring to?
Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech by jessriedel on Monday June 08, 2020 @04:52PM (#23460651)
The arguments I advance aren't just wrong, they're "naive". (There is a useful non-combative useage of the word "naive" regarding ideas, but that's not how you're using it here.) When I disagree with people, I am "dismissing" and "denigrating" them.
Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech by 6AA4FD on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:21AM (#23464788)
The whole point of my post was to point out an alleged flaw in your discursive approach, but I was genuinely trying to temper my language. It's clear I didn't do a good enough job of that. For the record, I don't think a priori morality is an unreasonable belief, I just think there are other compelling theories and that if we want to talk about other moral issues we have to be willing to find common ground in spite of metaethical disputes. There are many philosophers I greatly respect whose beliefs I would also call naive.

Belittling another person is the last thing I want to do, so I'll thank you for the opportunity to improve my manners and drop the issue here, sincerely wishing you the best.