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Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by kevmo314 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:33PM (#23451569)
> Unfortunately, the greater group of protesters is incapable of understanding nuanced policy or democratic change.

This is a totally uncalled for generalization. That aside, most of the items you've listed work against the policies that police abolitionists are fighting for. Here's a good explanation: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59ead8f9692ebee25b72f...

Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by xendo on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:48PM (#23451722)
The doc is really weird. It picks and evaluates dimensions that obviously will improve after disbanding the police, but doesn’t try to address the question if the actual safety will improve. Instead it looks at whether disbanding the police will “ challenge the notion that police increase safety?” wtf. Also hard to believe that more training and bodycams have negative effect on actual quality of policing and safety. Any data to support this?
Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by marnett on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:38PM (#23453079)
> Also hard to believe that more training and bodycams have negative effect [...]

The police use body cameras for real-time facial recognition of the policed [1]. It 100% has, and explicitly is, a negative effect. It was a right of center “reform” on the police that did nothing but further expand the power (and future of abuse of power) of our policing institutions.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2017/03/22/real-time-face-recogniti...

Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by xendo on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:45AM (#23453925)
Now you would have to argue that real time face recognition is truly and solely a bad thing. If used correctly it can help reduce the violence in communities, catch child molesters, rescue kidnapped kids etc. Finally it would help defund the police as it can increase its efficiency.
Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by jatone on Monday June 08, 2020 @11:29AM (#23457351)
only thing I can see facial recognition doing is causing police forces to constantly single out individuals for previous crimes by removing their anonymity from the police force.

this doesn't improve safety it causes a feedback loop where the person targeted will struggle to move to a normal life.

Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by xendo on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:12PM (#23468525)
Just to be clear, I’ not in favor of facial recognition. However as a society we need to make informed decision and not to pick some random cons just to dismiss ideas that we dont like. I would be very disappointed if engineer, even junior, showed your attitude towards problem solving.
Re:Minneapolis City Council members announce intent to disba... by marnett on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @04:30PM (#23470558)
> I would be very disappointed if engineer, even junior, showed your attitude towards problem solving.

What attitude is that exactly? Some semblance of a code of ethics? I think you are drastically underplaying the "random con" of a realtime facial recognition surveillance network of body and CCTV cameras.

People have to be confronted with the use cases of the technology they build prior to building it. Ignorance, naivety, and a post-hoc "I didn't know it would be use as such" is just ethical negligence.