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Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by martythemaniak on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:23PM (#234441)
"The real truth is, entrepreneurs have a much greater respect for life and the purpose of a startup is to condense much of what would have been a very dull, very boring 9-5 for 40-50 years into a fast-paced, stress-intensive 4-7 year startup."

The real truth is, that won't happen unless you hit a jackpot, so if you're actually banking on working 100hr weeks in startup, so you can relax later on, I suggest taking 30mins a week off and visiting the local lotto booth.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by krschultz on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:42PM (#234461)
The real question though is why you would WANT to retire in 10 years? He would be 32 or 34, and he will have spent his entire 20s elminating time for friends, relationships, and hobbies. So you get to the 30s, and suddenly you have 10 million dollars and what are you going to do? Stop working and do nothing? He already said he doesn't want to do that. And if you try to meet someone for a relationship - it is somewhat overshadowed by your money. Your friends (who you labeled a distraction in your 20s when you lived with them, how likely are they to be friends with you in your 30s?) will probably have moved on. You have no hobbies because you spend little time on them. So what do you have? A bunch of money and no life.

My solution - find what I enjoy working on, work on it 60 hours a week, and enjoy the other 40 hours a week with my girlfriend, traveling, playing my sports, learning beyond just what I do for work. I don't watch tv, I don't waste time on a lot of silly things, but I do enough that I have a healthy balance. He struggled to uninstall his video games and he is going to tell me that is a healthy life balance when it includes no time for friends, family, or a girlfriend? I would rather work on what I like for 40 years, and spend the whole time enjoying it along the way, than work really hard for 7 years and hate my life during and after that. Just the fact that you have a large bank account does NOT make you happy. It is what you do with it that MAY make you happy, but even then - there are a lot of ways to be happy with less money than you think.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by jmtame on Thursday July 03, 2008 @01:51AM (#234949)
I was going to do a follow up on this, but I decided it may be better if I dedicate another article to the topic. I think you've raised a really good point, and there are two really good counter-arguments I've seen so far to working 80 hours a week:

1) 80 hours isn't always more productive than 60 hours of someone else's time, and in fact may be counter-productive.

2) What do you have to show for after 10 years of playing the startup lottery? In your best case: you probably have a huge bank account, but no life left at that point.

I think this deserves a separate discussion. I'll keep this in the back of my head and think it over, post up another response when the time's right. At either rate, it's cool to see your guys' feedback.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by Hexstream on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @07:12PM (#234667)
Myself, I want to "retire" early so I can start working more exclusively on what I love without having to worry when and how I can monetize my work. I'd rather have 500k in bank and complete independence than 100 millions and having to report to someone.
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by rw on Thursday July 03, 2008 @12:52AM (#234906)
"Complete independence" is partially based on net wealth. If you have 100 million in the bank, you can tell your boss to buzz off, so it's a moot point.
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by ph0rque on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @04:24PM (#234504)
I think for me, the balance is somewhere in the middle: work 6 hour workdays at my dayjob (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=231642), and work on my ideas part-time. If an idea becomes successful, that will become my dayjob, and I will continue working on other ideas, since they never really end, or do something else on the side (spend time with family, perhaps home-school my kids, etc.)
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by hugh on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:31PM (#234451)
I'd say it's not nearly that unlikely. If you're smart, you have a good idea, and you work hard on it, your chances of that kind of success (and we're only talking the $10 million payday here, not the $billion payday) are something on the order of one third.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that the guy said he tried a four-hour workweek but got bored, and now he wants to work 100-hour weeks so he can retire in seven years. What does he think he's going to do when he retires?

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by martythemaniak on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:55PM (#234483)
$10m company payday, or $10m personal payday? If you're looking for a $10m personal payday, your company needs to be brought at for quite a bit more (depending on number of founders and investors), so if we consider the set of smart, hardworking people, the percentage of those that sell their company for $50-100m is substantially less than 30%.

Now, if you and the author are talking about $10m company payday (lets say $1-2m for yourself), that's about a decade or two of decent income (ie, not enough to retire) and as you mentioned, what would someone used to working 100hr weeks and labeling relationships as "distractions" do with their time? I'm really failing to see the author's point to all this.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by mechanical_fish on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:43PM (#234463)
What does he think he's going to do when he retires?

He's going to work 85-hour weeks, of course!

One major theme of The Four-Hour Workweek is that, for many people, it takes practice and training to do less work. You get habituated to the stress and the pressure, such that life without it begins to feel wrong. You need to train up the areas of your life that fall outside of your career, or they'll atrophy, and you won't be able to stop working because your mind and body will rebel.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by gizmo on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:50PM (#234477)
Then you'll be forced to find something else to do. You can't watch TV 80 hours a week for a year - you'll go crazy. But you can watch 4 TV hours a day, every day, for the entire duration of your life. That is 28 hours a week. Or 1 year in 4.

Probably the guy will take a break for 6 months after/when he succeeds, then do it all over again. Or he'll start doing something else obsessively. Either way he's not going to be bored.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by daniel-cussen on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @11:32PM (#234831)
You can surf the internet for 40 hours a week, though.
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by rekcuts on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @04:04PM (#234488)
1 year in 6.
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by gizmo on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @04:37PM (#234520)
I subtracted sleep. 16 waking hours, 4 TV.
Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by axod on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @03:28PM (#234450)
If you work hard, make good decisions, and think hard, it's not really a lottery.

Everything in life is a risk, so it's better to try hard, make a real go of it, than to sit at the sidelines and never try.

Re:How to Work 80+ Hour Weeks by Tamerlin on Wednesday July 02, 2008 @07:56PM (#234691)
If all you're doing is working and sleeping, you're neither making good decisions nor thinking hard. You're just faking it and making up for your burnout by getting less done.

That extra long hours speed the time to market is an illusion. It doesn't work. In the vast majority of projects, burnout hours are a direct result of a failure you can't admit to.

I'm not saying this only because I don't like sweatshops, it's because I have yet to see quality code from a sweatshop. When I've worked in sweatshops, I've found that the most productive people were never the ones working the longest hours; on the contrary, those of us who were smart enough to do our jobs and go home and get some rest ended up picking up the pieces from the all-night crew every morning.