Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by jpxw on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:10PM (#23432576)

In my country, the UK, it’s not unusual at all to have to wait 2-3 months for a hospital appointment. People shit on America’s health system a lot (and in many cases for perfectly valid reasons), but I think they don’t quite consider the alternative.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by vidarh on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:19PM (#23432693)

You can buy your way past the queues either per treatment or with private insurance in the UK and still pay far less than in the US.

Most of us wait because the prioritisation is by clinical need, and is usually 'good enough' and some because they can't afford it.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by downerending on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:36PM (#23432914)

Are you paying less, all in? (e.g., taxes)

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by jpxw on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:50PM (#23433103)

We are, yes. But the average American would be shocked at the "customer experience" the average patient gets from the NHS. No such thing as a free lunch etc.

And I think if you have private insurance (i.e: double paying), you'll probably be paying more than the average American. I don't know for sure though.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by vidarh on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:58PM (#23448710)

The per capita expenditure on Medicaid and Medicare in the US is substantially higher than the per capita expenditure on the NHS, but Medicare and Medicaid only cover about 20% of the US population.

On top of that UK private insurance is much cheaper because it is 'top up' - you're usually expected to see NHS GP's first etc. and use NHS emergency rooms.

As such while it is possible to end up paying more if you're very high income, very few people in the UK will pay more even with private insurance.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by foldr on Friday June 05, 2020 @08:49PM (#23435760)

>double paying

You also have to factor in the (very large) public expenditure on healthcare in the USA. Americans also pay for part of their healthcare through taxes.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by philipps on Friday June 05, 2020 @08:01PM (#23435390)

I am not sure what you mean by “average American” but millions of people in this country rely on emergency room visits for their health care needs. I suspect the NHS provides a superior “patient” experience.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by kortilla on Friday June 05, 2020 @08:39PM (#23435678)

Average usually refers to the mean or median. The uninsured folks you refer do not make up the majority required to reach “average” criteria.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by downerending on Friday June 05, 2020 @10:48PM (#23436375)

You're not wrong, but here's a big raspberry for those (often the press) that use average to mean median.

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Re:Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hard... by vidarh on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:50PM (#23448633)

Yes, the portion of my taxes that goes to the NHS plus what my employer pays in private insurance is less than what Medicaid and Medicare costs per taxpayer in the US.

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