Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech
by ryanSrich on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:27PM
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Reform and abolish seem too nuanced to me in this case. You want the police to be something completely different from what it is today.
Tearing down a house and building a car with the materials doesn't make a new house.
Re:Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech
by komali2 on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:36PM
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> Tearing down a house and building a car with the materials doesn't make a new house.
Quite, you are accurately highlighting some of the differences between the various abolish/reform positions. I don't sense you challenging the supposition that simply lumping the abolish/reform groups into the same category is absurd given the above, so I'm not sure the purpose of your comment.
One, your statistics are the reverse of reality.
Two, the people that want to defund police are not the people that want to abolish the police. Considering the LAPD budget is 1.8 billion, and the NYPD budget is 6 billion, do you think that's by definition a bad position?
Three, the minority that want to abolish the police (me, various anarchist and communist groups, some general leftist groups, alt-right libertarians), absolutely have thought out the consequences of that. Most are more on the "abolish and then reform from scratch" train, because there's evidence that this works (on mobile and can't grab right now, sorry), others are on the "abolish and then reform into an entirely different concept from what exists now train" (see: https://bostonreview.net/law-justice/derecka-purnell-what-do...), and the tiniest sliver are on the "get rid of them all and make them never come back" train.
I hope this helps clear up any confusion and/or strawmen.