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Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by skissane on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:23AM (#23425609)
Is work really the place for "meaningful discussions"?

To me, meaningful discussions is talking about philosophy, religion, political theory, introspecting the roots of one's own psychology, etc. That's not really what work is for. At work, one needs to focus one's discussions on the job – of course, you can talk about outside work stuff, but I'm always careful to try to keep it shallow and non-controversial. I'm not about to start debating the existence of God with my work colleagues, as much as I really love that particular debate. Nor am I going to drill into the impact my parent's divorce had on my own psychological development.

Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by bdcravens on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:35AM (#23425679)
Meaning is based on context. "Meaningful" for work would be company policies, discussing a situation affecting a customer, discussing how to address a particular bug, etc. The "deep" topics you referenced usually aren't meaningful to the work place, even if they are to humanity in general.
Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by metrokoi on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:50AM (#23425761)
Naming the product "Currents" definitely gives the impression that it is at least partially meant for discussing current events. There are so many other messaging and discussion platforms for organizations, it seems like Google is going with the "use this to discuss how our organization can take advantage of social trends" angle instead of just generalized discussion of projects. That's my impression anyway.

Regardless it also sounds like a great tool for company gossip and office politics.

Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by mav3rick on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:29AM (#23425945)
No currents can also mean "streams", which probably implies threads of conversations.
Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by compsciphd on Friday June 05, 2020 @07:48AM (#23427424)
as opposed to a wave? ;)
Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by tibbydudeza on Saturday June 06, 2020 @11:36AM (#23439873)
Ouch.
Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by idclip on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:51AM (#23425765)
I honestly think if a product isn't going to be interpreted in one way (basic law of affordance in design) (also for the most part, some leeway allowed) - it’s A sign for faulty affordance, and an indicator to its future success.
Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by serkandurusoy on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:14AM (#23425876)
With all due respect, I do find work - just as anywhere else - to be a place for meaningful discussions.

I usually work as an engineer and manager/mentor and prefer being vulnerable with the people I support. That leads to them often choosing to be themselves.

This only requires some honesty and sincerity. Once we and everyone else who choose to do the same connect on that level, such meaning shows itself in not only one on ones, but also in online chat.

I also find it a boost in productivity because it allows distilling work discussions into pure work because people have to worry less about what they say/write or how they express it.

One huge and rewarding benefit is also that people begin looking behind misconstruable messages, reading the discussion in positive light and helping each other communicate better, too.

Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by grasshopperpurp on Saturday June 06, 2020 @10:53AM (#23439586)
I've had a similar experience from a different angle; I'm not over anyone, but I have engaged in conversations that cover politics, religion, philosophy, etc.. I avoid politicianX vs politicianY types of conversations for obvious reasons, but I think the restrictions are good for conversation - not so dissimilar from the restrictions on HN vs FB or Twitter. It forces me to find common ground, to listen to what people want and how they think things should work. I have found that people wildly diverge from party politics in this scenario. When we focus on the issue and hypothetical ways forward, we tend to agree on the big points - or agree in spirit, at least.

When we remove the labels and the expectations that come with those labels, we can have a conversation where both sides operate in good faith. Of course, we can still have those conversations with the labels, but, in practice, we tend to get distracted by them.

I had someone ask me what I thought about the riots (this was within the first couple days), and based on his background and other conversations I had with him, I knew his POV was very different from mine, but we are on friendly terms, so I engaged. Tone is important. My focus was on what we could do so that things don't reach that point, and I was empathetic toward the people he felt the worst for - business owners who lost things to the riots. And, in turn, he was empathetic to the people who suffer systematic abuses. In these scenarios, I just try to focus on understanding where the other person is coming from and to make my thoughts clear. I don't get frustrated when someone doesn't say, 'Gee, never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right.'

I think a lot of people - all over the map on the big issues - are tired of conversations that center around your mob vs my mob. They're ready to have real conversations about real issues. The depth will depend upon what each person brings to the table, but on a basic level, depth is almost beside the point. It's enough to listen to an on-paper enemy and have them listen to you and walk away understanding that you're not enemies at all, that you both want what's best for your community, city, state, country, and world. We can disagree on how to get there, but if we trust the motivations of others, we can work together. We can't work toward progress with people we don't trust, which is one of the underlying issues with starting with labels.

Of course, there are people to distrust for various reasons, but if I find people who are willing to honesty discuss why they believe what they do about anything (and what they know and don't, etc.), I want to hear what they have to say. And even as I cringe at a conclusion, I want to show them respect and that I took the time to understand how they arrived. Just like anything, angle/perspective makes all the difference.

This is just where I'm at - not meant to tell people how they should behave or how well my perspective meshes with their personality and experiences.

Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by serkandurusoy on Saturday June 06, 2020 @02:30PM (#23441278)
> I was empathetic

This.

It removes boundaries, barriers even. Holding on to empathy is hard work, but it does pay off.

Re:Currents: Have Meaningful Discussions at Work by agumonkey on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:48AM (#23425746)
Having just got a new job, I'm faced with the time eternal shallow work discussions which often revolves about how bored, how demotivated, how insufferable colleague-N, why me if not them ...

Jobs seems ontologically based on a closed system of semi passive suffering.