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Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by dnautics on Thursday June 04, 2020 @08:33PM (#23423736)
Get rid of QI and then let the departments decide whether or not to make the individuals pay. In either case there is someone with incentive to get rid of bad apples, which is better than no-one.
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by mindslight on Thursday June 04, 2020 @08:44PM (#23423810)
Once we get rid of QI (which we obviously should because it has warped into a nonsensical concept), is there any reason to believe that the police unions won't end up shoving indemnification clauses into their contracts, putting us right back to where we are?
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by Ididntdothis on Thursday June 04, 2020 @08:53PM (#23423880)
At least the municipalities then would have to choose between never ending payouts or fixing things.
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by cgriswald on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:52AM (#23426066)
That’s already the case. QI doesn’t prevent anyone from suing the department or city. It only prevents them suing the cop. A system in which all cops are indemnified is simply QI with more paperwork.
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by dnautics on Thursday June 04, 2020 @10:14PM (#23424333)
That scenario is covered in my statement.
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by mindslight on Friday June 05, 2020 @12:49AM (#23425178)
I disagree that municipalities would have much of a choice. Right now, a municipality is theoretically liable for every officer's actions, and could contractually share some of that liability onto the officers themselves. Yet they do not, presumably because the police unions do not allow it, and the system as a whole is great at shirking all liability for its misdeeds. Getting rid of QI does change the default option, but I would assume the unions would use the same negotiation techniques to get indemnification clauses.
Re:Qualified Immunity: Explained by deathgrips on Thursday June 04, 2020 @08:48PM (#23423832)
Or completely replace departments that train and arm murderers.