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Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by munk-a on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:31PM (#23423262)
Oh - districts should be drawn to guarantee mathematical fairness and a few relatively good measures exist[1] including one that was used in court in connection to a particularly egregious Wisconsin district (the efficiency-gap measure).

This is really less of an unsolvable problem than people make it out to be - it's just that most of the discussion you hear about it is from the political parties both of which benefit from its existence and, especially, the incumbents who have a much more secure seat with careful district drawing to make sure you don't get too many progressives that might vote out a centrist (or ditto on the other side)

1. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-mathematician...

Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by tomatotomato37 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @08:16PM (#23423619)
Why are we shifting to fancy math for this? Just mandate districts have to be simple geometric shapes; good luck isolating 16 individual neighborhoods in a city when all you have are four corners. I mean I know some mathematician will show that you can still tile them in such a way to benefit some candidate by 1.6% or whatever, but it would be the simplest way to get rid of the most egregious of district abuses.

Remember, you also have to sell the idea to the public, and which is easier to sell: "Trust this complex algorithm built by mathematicians and their fancy computer models who most certainly aren't secretly biased toward the candidate you dislike", or "RECTANGLES! :D"

Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by veeralpatel979 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:38PM (#23423312)
Got it, so you're proposing electoral lines by drawn by algorithms?

I don't see any problems with this myself, as long as the algorithms are fair -- what are some downsides of this, though?

Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by munk-a on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:45PM (#23423373)
A pretty common downside is a lack of adherence to historical boundaries and groupings - some neighborhoods that legitimately formed a district and a unified block due to strange geographic features could be broken up.

But actually - there are two classes of algorithms out there: one can determine how to fairly divide up a state and another measures how unfairly a state is divided up - instead of going full into computers-determine-everything it might be nice to just have a requirement that the result of the election in the state is relatively statistically probable given the proportions of votes for each party. So people could still draw districts we would just have a manner to prove their districts are acceptably fair.

Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by orcasauce on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:48PM (#23423398)
People actually will have to tune into politics since the differences will be diminished and you can't simply push the red or blue button and be done with it. 'aint nobody got time for that!
Re:Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws by larkost on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:47PM (#23423390)
The two downsides I see are:

1. There would be a lot of sudden changes, without any real explanation about those particular changes.

2. Unlike now there would be little on-the-ground reasoning to these changes. Districts would be split on random-seeming streets, with no respect at all about residents felt. Now at least you have someone to blame, and we like to have someone to blame rather than "the computer".