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Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by easytiger on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:00PM (#23421071)
Quality source there
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by dv_dt on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:37PM (#23421458)
If you want a detailed technical view of what the Fed is doing I highly recommend Nathan Tankus' blog. Though I don't think he's specifically covered Blackrock's role.

https://nathantankus.substack.com/

I'd start with the series "The Federal Reserve's Coronavirus Crisis Actions, Explained"

https://nathantankus.substack.com/p/the-federal-reserves-cor...

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by hammeiam on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:41PM (#23423349)
Who is that author? He seems to be the "research director" of a student group (MMN) but does he have qualifications?
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by easytiger on Friday June 05, 2020 @04:00AM (#23426115)
He's an ultra left wing, "defund the police", full time twitter posting noise generation machine.
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by dv_dt on Saturday June 06, 2020 @01:19PM (#23440731)
I was surpised a little at that, and am personally ok with that, but his expertise on the Fed is pretty much tangential to those views. Tankus has been quoted in places like the Washington Post for his detailed discussion about Fed activities.
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by squaresmile on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:28PM (#23422053)
I'm only a random passerby in finance/economics but I have seen a few blogs like this upvoted on HN. Those blogs are usually (or at least advertised to be) run by a single person (in this case, a couple). When I go to the blogs' about pages, that person barely has any experience working in finance or econ. People with past history of making money get predictions wrong all the time and here we are with bloggers who have never been in the game.

Come on HN. Surely there are better sources that share these opinions.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by jules-jules on Friday June 05, 2020 @01:15AM (#23425304)
>When I go to the blogs' about pages, that person barely has any experience working in finance or econ.

From the about page:

Ms. Martens worked on Wall Street for 21 years. The last decade of her career was spent as an outspoken critic of Wall Street’s corrupt practices, its private justice system and the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. (This YouTube video captures Ms. Martens testifying before the Federal Reserve on June 26, 1998 against the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by easytiger on Friday June 05, 2020 @04:05AM (#23426141)
> Ms. Martens worked on Wall Street for 21 years

If there was any credibility to that it might have mentioned what she did. Plenty of procedural/pm/pa jobs that don't require much holistic knowledge or qualification.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by jules-jules on Friday June 05, 2020 @08:38AM (#23427783)
Do you think they would allow a low-level position to testify before the Fed? A quick search reveals that Pam Martens worked as a strock broker for what is now CitiGroup for sixteen years. She is the recipient of the Woman of Courage Award from the National Organization for Women and the Susan B. Anthony Award from its New York City Chapter. Her suit, Martens v. Smith Barney, challenging mandatory arbitration for employee grievances, including civil rights-related claims, is in its seventh year in U.S. federal courts [1].

But I am guessing you are not arguing in good faith, as you seem unable to engage with the substance of the article but instead keep attacking the source.

But please do let me know if you have any issues with the contents of the article, I would be keen to hear them as you seem to be so interested in its authors. Otherwise I'll leave it at that and won't waste anymore energy on ad hominems.

[1]https://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2002/02april/april02inter...

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by masnaox on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:24PM (#23421318)
wonder if publishing the truth in this way before anybody else is the ultimate form of damage control.

in this case, its highly effective

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by jules-jules on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:25PM (#23421333)
What can you say about the substance of the article? Is it wrong in your view?
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by dv_dt on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:40PM (#23421487)
For one, when it says "the taxpayers will be eating the losses".. it raises some flags for me. Might just be hyperbole, but it also suggests a possible misunderstanding of the fundamentals of how the Fed operates.
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ericmcer on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:54PM (#23421641)
Unless we are rewriting how our economy works, the Fed should have a neutral balance sheet, i.e. all the debt it creates by purchasing bonds/securities/etc. should be paid off eventually. Any Treasury securities are going to be paid off by taxpayer money.

If we are entering a new type of economy (which we have been since 2008), and the Fed is no longer worried about having an ever expanding balance sheet, then we are entering modern money theory territory, which is scary to me because we completely lack the oversight needed.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:54PM (#23421631)
> also suggests a possible misunderstanding of the fundamentals of how the Fed operates.

Translation: "You plebes just don't understand."

Typical Fed policy apologia.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by jules-jules on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:51PM (#23421607)
Why is this hyperbole? My understanding is that the Fed has set aside $454 billion of taxpayers’ money via the CARES act to absorb the losses in the bail out programs set up by the Fed.

And this has more detail, from an earlier article [1]

Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania asked Quarles to clarify if the taxpayers’ money ($454 billion handed over by the Treasury to the Fed, which will then be used as equity in Special Purpose Vehicles set up by the Fed and leveraged up to $4.54 trillion to make loans and purchases of toxic assets on Wall Street banks’ balance sheets), is in fact going to be used to absorb losses on what the Fed is taking off the balance sheets on Wall Street. Quarles responded as follows:

“The Treasury has the fiduciary responsibility, if you will, to the Congress for the use of the funds that are appropriated to it. So I wouldn’t want to speak for them as to how that equity should be handled. But it is true that in the construction of the 13(3) facilities [Fed’s emergency programs] that use Treasury equity, the Treasury equity is there to insure the Fed, which statutorily cannot take losses, has to be sure that it won’t, is there to insure that that cushion exists for the funding portion of the facility.”

Fed Chairman Jerome Powell has already admitted that the $454 billion is to be used to absorb losses that it anticipates it will take.

[1] https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/05/wall-street-banks-pai...

Does this not imply exactly that, the taxpayers will be eating the losses?

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:00PM (#23421714)
The fact that $454 billion was set aside to eat losses does not imply that there will be $454 billion of losses, or even that there will be any losses.

The Fed is buying bonds at market prices and getting paid interest - the only way they'd lose money is if the bond market as a whole loses money / is overvalued, and specifically is overvalued by more than the interest rate.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by loeg on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:22PM (#23421988)
> The Fed is buying bonds at market prices

In some trivial sense, sure, but not really; by pouring tons of money into these funds, it is moving the market price. Real market prices are below the levels propped up by the Fed.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:36PM (#23422152)
Somewhat, but to make that argument you'd have to show what percentage they're buying and how prices have moved. I don't think there's evidence of a large effect currently.
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by loeg on Friday June 05, 2020 @02:45PM (#23432232)
That wouldn't be conclusive, as one could readily make the argument that prices would have fallen without the Fed support.

The logic here is armchair economics 101: supply and demand. The Fed is propping up demand.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Friday June 05, 2020 @03:03PM (#23432482)
Econ 101 distinguishes between buyers with market power and buyers without.

You also need to distinguish between the expectations channel and the purchase channel. The Fed announcing it's going to pump money into the economy decreases expectations of a severe ongoing recession, which reduces the probability of default, which raises bond prices.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by loeg on Friday June 05, 2020 @04:52PM (#23433826)
Yep! Some of the price and liquidity impact is the buying and some is just the announcement of buying. Levine had a nice column on it several days ago.
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:21PM (#23421967)
The bottom line is that taxpayers are on the hook.

Since 2008, we're desensitized to this level of intervention.

What will come of it? Who knows? But at least some recognize the risk in such uncharted territory.

“Socialising of this risk is fraught with moral hazard” - Daniel Loeb

“Today’s trading levels of stocks and bonds reflect ‘thumb on the scale’ valuations driven by persistent and massive government asset purchases and zero percent (or lower!) short-term policy rates, as well as an essentially unlimited tolerance for risk." - Paul Singer

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by arkis22 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @10:58PM (#23424595)
"On the hook" means that while taxpayers are shouldering the risk, they are also the ones enjoying the reward.

I for one would not like the entire country to descend into violence and madness. I'm willing to pile on debt to avoid anarchy.

The government is the lender of last resort because they can print new money to dilute old money. That's a high risk high reward lending scenario.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:26PM (#23422032)
It's irresponsible to say the taxpayers are eating losses that hasn't happened yet and may never happen. Taxpayers didn't lose in the TARP bailout, despite similar warnings at the time.

And the other side of this is the fact that without any action, the economy will collapse further than it already has, and taxpayers certainly won't be in the black if that happens.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:32PM (#23422097)
> It's irresponsible to say the taxpayers are eating losses

I didn't say they are eating losses, I said they are on the hook.

Give me $1000 from your bank account. Given my recent performance, I can generate some decent return.

What do you say?

> the economy will collapse further than it already has

With all due respect, this is my larger issue.

You're not necessarily wrong.

But we have no political imagination or will to think beyond what is forced down our throats. Either the Federal Reserve saves us all or we are doomed.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:39PM (#23422198)
I'm critiquing the framing in OP.

>But we have no political imagination or will to think beyond what is forced down our throats. Either the Federal Reserve saves us all or we are doomed.

I wouldn't view it as saving. The Fed's job is to stabilize prices and employment. If you think a different part of the government should be responsible for that, or if you think we shouldn't stabilize it at all (but then how much money should be printed? Should we abolish monetary policy completely?), then make that argument. But don't criticise the Fed for trying to do its job of ensuring price stability. When something happens that significantly decreases inflation, then the Fed responds by printing more money. It's not somehow "neutral" if the Fed were to ignore that and allow prices to drop.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:43PM (#23422238)
> The Fed's job is to stabilize prices and employment.

> But don't criticise the Fed for trying to do its job of ensuring price stability.

By your own analysis, you're missing something here.

How's the Fed doing with that mandate?

You don't think there's room for criticism?

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:46PM (#23422283)
I think the proper critique is exactly the opposite - that they're not doing enough. Inflation is expected to be well below target over the next decade.

Critiques that they're doing too much fall completely flat, for me.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @05:59PM (#23422439)
You're ignoring the employment part of the mandate.

Unprecedented levels of Fed intervention hasn't prevented 41 million (and counting) new unemployment filings in just a few months.

This obsessive focus on propping up financial markets without more direct support for Main St is what I mean about lack of political imagination or will.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @06:05PM (#23422527)
We don't want to have full employment now for obvious reasons. Fed policy should be to enable full employment after the lockdowns are fully lifted, not now.

Congress passed extra unemployment insurance plus other payroll support. The Fed shouldn't duplicate that.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by chishaku on Thursday June 04, 2020 @06:20PM (#23422664)
We don’t have full employment because the Fed is failing its mandate. That’s pretty clear.

> Fed policy should be to enable full employment after the lockdowns are fully lifted, not now.

This is out of touch. The lockdowns are already lifting and as we will see, you don’t just bring back 41+ million jobs at the drop of a hat.

As long as prices (read: stock and bond markets) are stabilized, many of us don’t care.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:17PM (#23423134)
> We don’t have full employment because the Fed is failing its mandate.

The Fed has a dual mandate; employment promotion and inflation management. To the extent that the tools they have, which are limited, are insufficient to adequately promote employment while managing inflation, doing more for employment is what Congress and it's broader power of fiscal poki g setting is for.

Admittedly, Congress—most specifically the Senate—is asleep at the switch, but that's not the Fed’s fault.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by whatok on Thursday June 04, 2020 @07:26PM (#23423215)
> Admittedly, Congress—most specifically the Senate—is asleep at the switch, but that's not the Fed’s fault.

It absolutely is the Fed's fault. We are still paying for the sins of the GFC and Fed policy has enabled Congressional dysfunction. Without extremely accommodative Fed policy for the past 10+ years, Congress would be forced to do their job.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by dragonwriter on Friday June 05, 2020 @06:07AM (#23426828)
You are basically saying that it's the Fed’s fault because the Fed is actually doing the job that it is assigned by law, and if it completely failed there would be more pressure on Congress to do something.

But if Congress doesn't want to do it's job, even if the Fed were completely negligent, you have to conclude they would only do enough to relieve the pressure to roughly the point where things are now, if they were even competent enough to not screw that up.

If you want to blame someone other than Congress for Congress's nonfeasance (and “Congress” in the sense includes the President, who plays both a formal and informal role in legislation), maybe blame the people that choose and retain the nonfeasant officers, rather than the Fed for doing its job well enough in the face of the nonfeasance elsewhere that the wheels don't come completely off.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by arkis22 on Thursday June 04, 2020 @11:36PM (#23424850)
Can you give a single example where the Fed has ever, in any way, impeded congress from passing laws?
Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by ikeboy on Thursday June 04, 2020 @06:32PM (#23422781)
>The lockdowns are already lifting and as we will see, you don’t just bring back 41+ million jobs at the drop of a hat.

Well as I already said above, the Fed isn't doing enough. They aren't stabilizing prices. If they were, the economic recovery would be much quicker.

Also, prices is not the same as stock and bonds. The Fed is perfectly fine with stock or bond drops, as long as they don't cause prices to drop. Stocks dropped over 20% in one day in 1987, but we avoided a recession because the Fed ensured prices remained stable.

Re:BlackRock Is Bailing Out Its ETFs with Fed Money and Taxp... by rmrfstar on Thursday June 04, 2020 @04:49PM (#23421585)
There is nothing magical going on.

Step 1: Fed conjurs D dollars into existence

Step 2: Fed trades D dollars for a stack of paper

Step 3: Fed trades paper stack for (1-r)D dollars

The net effect is the Fed giving away rD dollars. If the Federal government gives away any dollars, it is taxpayers footing the bill.