That article has nothing to do with voter fraud. All it shows is that higher turnout seems to hurt Republicans. I won't shed any tears about the demise of a political party that relies on voter suppression to stay in office.

From the article itself:

"The Democrats are creating a new, highly efficient tool to turn out voters," said Neugebauer, the GOP consultant. "If Republicans can’t find a way to match it, we’re going to lose more elections all over the country."

Oh please:

> Few people noticed when Gov. Jerry Brown signed the changes in AB1921 into law two years ago. In the past, California allowed only relatives or people living in the same household to drop off mail ballots for another voter. The new law allowed anyone, even a paid political campaign worker, to collect and return ballots — “harvesting” them, in political slang.

Is there any developed country that allows someone other than public employees to handle ballots like this?

AFAIK German law doesn't care how my filled out and double-sealed vote gets to the election office. Although I also don't see a point of why I'd hand it to some party representative when I can just drop it in a mailbox (I guess it might make sense as a service for less mobile people - who also can authorize someone to go fetch the voting materials for them), and I'd guess people just going round and ask to collect vote envelopes would cause lots of suspicion - door-to-door canvassing isn't really a thing here.

Are there widespread cases of fraudulent harvesting? Cases of harvesters telling people how to vote? Is there anything stopping Republicans and Libertarians from running ballot harvesting operations to turn out the vote in districts where they have popular support?

The most notable such case in recent US electoral history was North Carolina's 9th congressional district in 2018, where the fraudulent harvesting was perpetuated in favor of the Republican.

Why does there need to be empirical evidence of widespread cases of abuse before we address a measure that seems ripe for abuse? Was there widespread security breaches based on Spectre before operating system developers implemented mitigations?

You wouldn't shed tears over the death of the little bit of democracy remaining in America and the move to a single party political system?

That's truly sad.

Generally, in a two party system, when one party becomes unviable due to nobody particularly wanting it anymore, it either adapts (see both the Tories and Labour in the UK), or fragments and reforms (see the Liberals in the UK). Or just dies and is replaced (see the Federalist Party in the US). Political parties aren't meant to be static (and of course the US Republicans aren't, anyway, and have adapted pretty dramatically over the years, to the point that they're now unrecogniseable from a few decades ago).

It's not unviable though. President Trump won the last election. It was not by majority popular vote, but he did get like 46% of the popular vote. I doubt that will repeat itself this election, but nevertheless saying you desire the death of the voice of such a large amount of Americans is not the same as the demise of a party.

Also the claim the Republican party relies on voter suppression to stay in office is dubious at best.

I really hope the conservative party does adapt. It's really in a bad spot right now. But that is completely different than what the parent was saying.

Are you suggesting that people whose parties cannot win elections should be given wins just because it'd be a shame if those people had no voice, and then you use an example from an election where the majority of the vote received no win and no voice? What's your claim, exactly?

Why should anyone bemoan a party that goes into obscurity given a fair and accessible elections when their views are incompatible with the majority of voters? Why would anyone shed tears over this?

The party will adapt or it will be replaced.

I'm merely suggesting that advocating for a single party system in the U.S. is sad. That's it. If anything we need more political parties, not less.

I also think that if we did not have the electoral college then democrats would always win and 46% of America would lose its voice. Sure the majority gets it's way, but it's not that large of a majority and it kind of goes against the idea of giving a voice to the minority.

No-one's advocating for a single party system. As I say, if the Republicans (or Democrats) become unviable due to insufficient people wanting to buy what they're selling, that will lead to a reorientation (either the unviable party changes, or the viable party splits and absorbs part of the non-viable party, traditionally). One-party systems basically never emerge spontaneously from an existing two/multiparty system; they're usually either an early phase in a country's democratic development, or the result of some degree of totalitarianism.

> I also think that if we did not have the electoral college then democrats would always win and 46% of America would lose its voice.

If that was the case, the Republicans would have to change to be more appealing to the voters.

To take a very extreme example, in the 18th century, there were constituencies in Britain which had a population of under a hundred and elected an MP (so-called rotten boroughs), and then there was Manchester, which had a population of a few hundred thousand and didn't have an MP at all. Now, no doubt it was very unfortunate for the people in the rotten boroughs when the system was reformed and they lost their massive overrepresentation, but I don't think many would argue that it was _unfair_. And that reform did cause the Tory party in particular to have to change fairly dramatically to stay relevant. But it changed, and is still relevant today.

> it kind of goes against the idea of giving a voice to the minority

The US has two legislative houses and an executive president. The minority controls two out of the three, currently. If the electoral college was removed they'd _still_ control one out of the three (it's possible that they lose the senate this time around, but they're doing especially badly right now; they have a substantial built-in advantage in the senate and will tend to hold it).

EDIT: Also, it's not like the Republican party represents some sort of weird Borg-like monoculture who agree on everything. It only exists as a single entity because the US system is inimical to more than two parties existing. Lots of its voters aren't really represented by it anyway; they just vote for it because they dislike it less than they dislike the other side.

I don't understand why "vote harvesting" has to do with it. My understanding is that the delay is because of mail in voting. Because the votes were cast by mail, they arrive even after the election. The people who use mail in voting are the ones that due to work can't afford being in line for few hours, i.e. most of the working class.