Re:Is a trillion dollars’ worth of programming lying on the ...
by heavenlyblue on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:23PM
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> Eastern Europe
Eastern Europe is not a great example of productivity either.
I can totally understand why employees from poorer countries disappear all the time - why wouldn't they? They know they're getting paid peanuts in your country (so you don't expect much) and you're paying them an incredibly competitive salary in their own country (which means their lifestyle is closer to upper middle class).
Which means they can piggy-back off your seemingly efficient decisions and get away with doing less.
Re:Is a trillion dollars’ worth of programming lying on the ...
by heavenlyblue on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:36PM
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The basic strategy is this: if I can work lazily at 20% the output and get a middle-class lifestyle at 80% my salary. Why would I bother to be better if the only companies from the west are here to cheap out on talent? I can always go work for a new “revolutionary” company that is trying to outsource their talent and barely do any work all over again.
Re:Is a trillion dollars’ worth of programming lying on the ...
by pdimitar on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:45PM
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There definitely do exist such people, can't deny reality here. But again, this happens everywhere and is hardly exclusive to Eastern Europe -- at least I've met slackers and seat-warmers of 7+ different nationalities over the course of my career.
Re:Is a trillion dollars’ worth of programming lying on the ...
by pdimitar on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:25PM
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Well, that's a kind of a rude generalisation. :) Or maybe I read you wrong.
You should know there's a lot of world-class talent around here. Sure there's tons of slackers but I posit that's true everywhere (maybe they can't squeeze through the cracks in the USA? but they still exist).
Re:Is a trillion dollars’ worth of programming lying on the ...
by heavenlyblue on Wednesday June 03, 2020 @05:38PM
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There’s in Africa too. But you would be paying them the same amount (or well, maybe 70% that?) if you wanted the same output.
What makes my experience a little more representative (or so my ego says) is the fact that I am from Eastern Europe. Ever since several years now (3-4) we are no longer that attractive IT outsourcing location because a lot of people around here learned their price and value and charge normal (if still below USA's) rates. And thus many businesses started trying to outsource cheaper to Africa and parts of Asia.
The results have been catastrophic and hilarious at the same time. I've been called to "fix the mess" 6-12 months later by five businesses now, and I outright told one of the business owners that he'll have to pay me $20k a month to fix something as non-salvageable as the dumpster fire I was given. He refused which was a win for me because I still value my time and sanity.
So many businesses look at this outsourcing to cheaper staff thing very superficially, as you said. Sure you save money the first 2-3 months. Absolutely, you do. But then all the unfinished and badly done work starts peeking from the edge of the window.
And finally, you are also very correct when saying that hiring the managers that govern these people efficiently effectively destroys the cost savings.
In conclusion: I have definitely observed the same as you.
(Several edits: apparently I had a stroke and wrote some really broken English here and there.)