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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by 0xBA5ED on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:20AM (#23391286)
Dangerous? Yes. Did they know it would be fatal? I have no idea. It isn't clear that they were standing there with the intent to "keep watch while their colleague killed him". I don't believe they knew he would die. That doesn't absolve them, but should they be arrested as accomplices to murder? It isn't clear!
Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:33AM (#23391414)
The idea that kneeling on a restrained human’s neck for 9 minutes isn’t something they knew could lead to the severe injury or death of that person would be laughable if it wasn’t so chilling to hear you defend.

If I owned a martial arts studio and I let a student do that, I’d face criminal & civil liability. Why shouldn’t trained officers of the law be held to at least that standard?

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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:56AM (#23391681)
If you did 1/2 of what the other cops did, you’d already be in jail pending trial. If you’d done 1/10th of that to a cop, you’d be lucky to survive your arrest.

Part of the outrage is how blatantly unequal the treatment of cops and and civilians accused of crimes are. It’s especially galling because not only are they given the power of the state, they are also given extra rigorous training in the safe application of force. If anyone should have reasonably known that kneeling on someone’s neck would be lethal, it would be the cops.

Oh, and all the bystanders who clearly recognized what was going on. Apparently they’re more wise to the dangers of kneeling on a restrained human’s neck than the police are.

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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:02AM (#23391755)
They’re authorized to use necessary violence; kneeling on a handcuffed man’s neck was not a justifiable application of force. I genuinely cant believe I have to explain that.
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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:18AM (#23391913)
Yes, that’s why I’m focusing on the word “accessory”. Don’t move the goal posts.
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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:23AM (#23391980)
You tried to change the standard to “all the officers didn’t kneel on his neck”, I just called you out on it.

I do believe they should be arrested for accessory and face a trial by jury. It’s your right to think to the contrary, but your rationalizations about why they were willing to stand by and watch something that has deeply shocked the conscious of the whole nation is both disturbing and unconvincing.

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Re:De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer by ashtonkem on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:29AM (#23392056)
“I don’t know why they were willing to do that”.

That’s why we have trials by jury, to determine guilt even though we can’t read minds.