> Nobody plans to shoot anyone

So nobody has ever used a gun to commit first degree murder?

I don't think you've thought through what you're typing.

I read his comment not in an absolute sense, but that most reasonable people do not want to ever use their firearm against another human. But they may encounter a situation that forces them to, and that defending their property/loved ones using a firearm is their right.

That’s taken heavily out of context. Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation. Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that.

Yes and no.

I agree that you weren't talking about a 1st degree murder situation, but your wording is still sloppy and the idea you are conveying is inaccurate.

> Nobody plans to shoot someone when in a self-defense situation

Literally the only way your logic works is if you don't pick up a gun. If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot.

Perhaps you are making a mental distinction between shooting a specific person versus shooting any person you find in your house?

> Planning to use a gun to shoot someone is by definition a crime, and there is a burden of proof for that.

I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day!

> If you pick up a gun, you are actively planning the possibility of a shoot.

That is exactly what I stated earlier. Nobody is planning to shoot someone with malice aforethought in a self-defense scenario. As you say, they are planning for the possibility that they might shoot someone. Those are two very different things.

> I think we are just sparring over the definition of "planning". Have a good day!

It matters a lot in a legal context. If you state the assertion that “everyone who picks up a gun is planning to shoot someone”, then automatically everyone who ever picked up a gun is guilty of a very specific crime. The distinction matters a lot.