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Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by Justin_K on Sunday May 31, 2020 @10:55PM (#23375109)
It's actually very tasteless. So if we have to write like you suggest, an article on German engineering should also mention the Holocaust? You should be embarrassed.
Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by dang on Monday June 01, 2020 @01:38AM (#23375713)
Please don't cross into personal attack regardless of how strongly you disagree.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by rsynnott on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:46PM (#23375312)
I think it’s often tempting for people to, on considering the holocaust, look for a reason that Germany is special and something like that couldn’t happen elsewhere. It’s reassuring.

It doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny, though; genocides have been committed from everything from borderline failed states to states that appeared a lot more functional than Nazi Germany (which really wasn’t all that ordered).

Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by slg on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:02PM (#23375136)
I don't think German engineering is particularly tied to the Holocaust in the same way German order is. It was used by countless people as a defense of their actions [1].

Now if you were writing an article about German engineering, I would be mildly surprised if there was no reference to their rocket program in WWII. But given the topic, I think that wouldn't leave the same negative taste in my mouth.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by codr7 on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:28PM (#23375247)
I grew up in Sweden, traveled a lot across Europe and lived 5 years in Germany.

From my experience, Germans tend to do what they're told without questioning.

They will happily line up at an empty street and wait for the light to turn green, and they get really upset if you mention the Holocaust; because those are the rules.

I have no trouble seeing how these traits contributed to what happened.

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Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by slg on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:05PM (#23375148)
This is a low value comment. You should at least state why you think referencing WWII is irrelevant. I think it is completely relevant in a discussion about a historical trait of the German people. Just posting a link to Godwin's law doesn't contribute anything and makes this thread more likely to spin out of control.
Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by gherig4 on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:34PM (#23375280)
It is a low effort comment, not necessarily a low value one. It summarizes people's response to it well.

Every aspect of German culture can be linked to WW2 without much effort and has been for decades. Here is a humorous look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfFxoyxQAh4 instead of a sarcastic wikipedia link.

I do understand where you are coming from but sometimes you just have to let it go, as most others have done. WW2 ended in Germany over 75 years ago, people don't want to be reminded of it underneath a fun travel blog.

Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by slg on Sunday May 31, 2020 @11:58PM (#23375352)
Except your argument doesn't match with Godwin's law at all. It isn't "don't mention Nazis, people are tired about hearing about them." It is about making unnecessary and hyperbolic comparison's to Nazis or Hitler. So if you are going to argue why Godwin's law applies here, you should focus on why my reference was irrelevant and hyperbolic.
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Re:What makes Germans so orderly? by slg on Monday June 01, 2020 @12:24AM (#23375436)
My point started with "I think [WW II] is completely relevant". Therefore Godwin's law is the original goalpost. I have no idea how you can look at my comment and think I was moving the goalpost. Because without further explanation, this last comment certainly seems like trolling by responding with another low effort post.