It is a little different, we don't have a history of socialism, communism, or violent dictatorships or monarchies.

Uhh what? The instigating event which founded our country was a monarchy.

I would argue that slaves and indigenous populations experienced a violent dictatorship.

I don't think it's actually too much to expect that our officers fix their own culture. I just think it won't happen because they have a toxic tradition of ignoring the cultural cues given by civilian leadership (except the ones that praise police forces no matter how bad they act).

We should start by repealing the 2nd amendment. It is a bad law. Edit: This along with arm confiscation would limit force in police interactions and thus lower aggression.

> We should start by repealing the 2nd amendment

How should people protect their houses/shops when armed criminals try to rob your place?

Call the police and have insurance.

What should you do till the police don't come and who will help you out till you get the insurance payout which is not a guarantee.

Well I didn't say you couldn't fight. My proposal includes confiscation. Assume very aggressive pursuit of criminals with an unlicensed firearms. Like multi-county dragnet with blocked roads. Like we get O(100) cops for one gun. Most criminals will just probably keep it to cold arms.

How exactly are you going to fight armed criminals with just your hands or a knife?

Confiscation from lawful gun owners, why, what crime did they commit?

People with guns lose fights too. Cold Arms are easier to assess and much easier to run from. Who said anything about a crime that's like asking in the current regime cocaine users what crime did they commit. I'm not suggesting arresting them. I want their weapons. They aren't using them to defend against tyranny so what good are they.

People can lose if they are armed or not armed so that is not valid argument for not taking up arms.

> They aren't using them to defend against tyranny so what good are they.

They are using it to protect their homes and stores from rioters so they are atleast doing something.

Its very easy to say take away their weapons but you dont provide a realistic solution for defending life and property.

And what about when response rates are 40 minutes?

What about the gov being oppressive? HK would be diff.

The United States of America has an oppressive government if they wanted to use their weapons to protect against tyranny today would be that day. But they don't the 70 million gun owners of America march in support of tyranny not against it.

> There needs to be a nation-wide police reformation.

I don't think you can convince a rural Montana rancher that their local Sheriff needs to be retrained because (as they likely see it) gang bangers in Chicago "force" police to be more heavy handed.

I'm all for incentivizing police to improve their own culture, but I'm cynical that it won't happen. I'm all for giving police more funding and better tools to do their job more politely, but they already chew up 40% of all local government spending.

I think the solution can't be "expect policing to change" and has to be something more like "change the policy and show America civilians how our policing expectations are broken".

Americans call the police because a dog is off-leash in a large grassy park. Until we figure out how to tolerate small infractions or at least deal with them without involving law enforcement, there will always be a risk of violence during escalation.

I was with you until the last point. If someone is legitimately afraid of dogs, and deliberately go to a park where dogs have to be on leash, and someone shows up with a dog running around, and just don't listen to polite requests? What are they supposed to do? Out here in the UK, I wouldn't call the police (I'm not that bothered), but I can imagine it being a legitimate concern.

As a general guideline, you shouldn’t call the police in the US unless it is serious enough that you are willing to risk having your situation be escalated into (sometimes deadly) violence. POSIWID.