Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by gamblor956 on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:58AM
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"extra-disposable and second class"
It's not a straw man. It's in there in the original comment.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by RHSeeger on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:25PM
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Second class employee does not, in any way, imply less than human. If there are FTE and Contractors, and you have to lay people off, the Contractors come first. The commitments you've made to each are different. That doesn't mean they are less human, or that you don't feel bad that you need to let them go. But sometimes, you have to let people go, and you have to choose which people.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by erik_seaberg on Friday May 29, 2020 @02:27PM
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I've worked on contract before. Just shake my hand and tell me you don't need more right now. Don't feel bad, you've been paying me to offer that option without drama. You won't scale up enough if you're afraid to scale back down.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by gamblor956 on Friday May 29, 2020 @01:08PM
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Your comment that I was replying to did not say "less than human." You said "less human."
Being treated as "extra disposable and second class" is being treated as less human than a FTE. It's up in the air whether that also means they were being treated as "less than human."
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by cranky_coder on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:34PM
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You seem to explicitly ignore the “extra-disposable” modifier used with “second-class”. Curious.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by artsyca on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:44PM
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No seriously you're not treated with dignity which is less than any human deserves
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by RHSeeger on Saturday May 30, 2020 @01:18AM
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I just don't understand this argument. As a contractor, you are hired with the understanding that, if someone needs to be let go, it is you before the FTEs. In general, you're paid more as contractor than as an FTE, and that's one of the reasons.
There is nothing about that that implies you're not treated with dignity.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by artsyca on Saturday May 30, 2020 @08:20PM
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Yes it's not intrinsic to the relationship per se but in the implementation.
Contractors are treated with less dignity than they deserve on a number of fronts
As a contractor and even as an employee I've been treated with less dignity than I deserve especially when being let go on a moment's notice and treated like a plague carrier the minute I'm terminated
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by evanb on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:42AM
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> treated as extra-disposable and second class
I suppose it depends on the eye of the beholder. Humans aren't disposable.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by izzydata on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:52AM
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The position is disposable, not the person.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by artsyca on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:46PM
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I was let go with no notice and not even a bag to take my shit home while the asshat recruiting manager who hired me and got a promotion
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by threatofrain on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:27PM
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For such statements we must observe the speech which is uttered forth from the motion of hands and not the motion of lips.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by floatingatoll on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:48PM
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This is a web forum that uses characters submitted in a form textarea to communicate. Whether those comments are posted by hand or by assistive technologies such as text-to-speech or mouth control is not relevant.
Re:Google rescinds offers to thousands of contract workers
by floatingatoll on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:45AM
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I used to be a contract worker in tech. If you'd like to learn more about why I feel that way, and why those feelings come up for me when reading the comment I replied to, then I would normally encourage asking. You chose the "this is conversational warfare" approach instead, so there isn't anything I can usefully say about that topic in reply.
Keep it civil? Nobody said anything about "less human". That's a vile straw man.