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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by mc32 on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:14AM (#23350885)
Indeed. Anyone who lived under Edward I. Koch’s mayorship would agree that the broken window theory has merit. As you say it also requires proportional response with the intention of steering behavior towards a better society rather than looking at it as purely “punishment”.
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by vmception on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:21AM (#23350994)
> Anyone who lived under Edward I. Koch’s mayorship would agree that the broken window theory has merit.

There are subsequent studies that suggest it didn't have as much merit as people imagined it did.

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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by mc32 on Friday May 29, 2020 @11:57AM (#23351520)
“Not as much” doesn’t mean no merit. Even empty storefronts with no broken windows, if they dominate, take out the spirit of a location. Cities could, if they have resources, lease and use them for community centered services to entice some form of vibrance.
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by Nasrudith on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:10PM (#23351743)
Crime dropped nationwide regardless of strategy and that they didn't show an extra drop as would be expected. That suggests it is at best useless or counterproductive.
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by mc32 on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:12PM (#23351789)
So... as a kid when you see a broken window as opposed to a pristine one, which one do kids try to break? Do kids break into abandoned warehouses or occupied warehouses?
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by vmception on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:27PM (#23352037)
The efforts were in vain and just marginalized a bunch of minorities like every other policing tactic, sorry you've spent so much of your life believing something else.
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by mc32 on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:43PM (#23352246)
As i I kid I hung out with kids on the periphery and kids who had it better. Maybe the group I knew was exceptional in that respect, but abandoned places were preferred targets as opposed to others.
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Re:In NY major crime complaints fell when cops stopped ‘proa... by vmception on Friday May 29, 2020 @12:07PM (#23351695)
Which is why I wrote not as much instead of no merit. Words.
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