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Re:Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site le... by throwaway441 on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @04:22PM (#23315966)
> I think abortion is a lot easier when you frame the argument around suffering.

Really? I think it becomes much more difficult. It invites arguments for infanticide (see the 2013 Giubilini paper on after-birth abortion for a famous example of this). The same arguments concerning a woman who is not able to take care of a child apply equally well after birth if suffering is the only consideration, because it's entirely possible to end the life of the baby in a painless manner. As someone who is pro-life, I've generally found the suffering angle to be the least compelling of the pro-choice counterarguments.

Re:Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site le... by fossuser on Tuesday May 26, 2020 @04:28PM (#23316011)
I do think you're right that there's an extra element beyond just suffering (otherwise you can argue that killing infants instantly is okay if they don't notice and they're not yet self-aware).

I think it's a mixture of suffering and having a neural network formed enough for ...something? I have an intuitive feeling that it's wrong to kill infants before they're self-aware even if 'done painlessly', but I don't feel that way about a blastocyst or a fetus without a sufficiently formed neural network that can suffer.

I recognize this isn't perfectly consistent though and I don't have a great answer for why.