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Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by shp0ngle on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:05AM (#23299373)
DoH just moves the logging from Thai telecom and moves it to Cloudflare (or, whoever you set up as your DoH server, but most likely Cloudflare), no?

I trust CF much more than my ISP, but it makes the potential leak much worse...

edit: On the other hand, DoH makes DNS requests independent of ISP, which is nice. ISPs are often monopoly by nature.

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by cbg0 on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:09AM (#23299389)
Cloudflare has a privacy policy https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/public-dns...

Obviously, for Thai users this is a reasonable option, but I would understand why American users would not want to use Cloudflare, Google or even Quad9, as these are all US-based.

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by belorn on Monday May 25, 2020 @07:46AM (#23300101)
The netflow data from cloudflare, which is 0.05% of all traffic, is retained for 60 days according do the compliance report. 8.3B log entries is a lot, but I suspect that given how large market share cloudflare has, 0.05% over 60 days is also not a small data set. My intuition with probability calculus make me suspect that given normal internet usage over 60 days, a person is more likely than not to end up in cloudflares netflow log.
Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by tialaramex on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:15AM (#23300666)
> a person is more likely than not to end up in cloudflares netflow log.

They are, but because this is all Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 service does, that log only tells you that the IP address used Cloudflare's service.

So whereas this Thai data more or less says e.g. You watched Netflix between 18:40 and 19:26 and then again 21:33 to 22:09 the Cloudflare data says you own a device that uses Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS service. Maybe you can try to do some kind of activity estimate e.g. me idly browsing random web sites probably causes more DNS queries versus a SmartTV just periodically doing auto-updates when I'm asleep, but the 2000:1 dilution would make that more unreliable.

It isn't strictly nothing but it's damn close.

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by belorn on Monday May 25, 2020 @09:59AM (#23301172)
If the attacker also have access to the anonymized data set which is stored for 25hrs they should be able to deanonymize quite a bit of the data by just comparing time stamps and finding patterns.

It is much better than just having normal logs laying around, and since the data is split in two data set, there is a possibility that having access to one does not automatic result in having access to the other. The dilution is also helpful, through I am uncertain to the extent given the amount of traffic generated.

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by netsharc on Monday May 25, 2020 @10:57AM (#23301728)
Is a privacy policy worth anything? Genuinely wondering, can they be sued, etc, if they violate it and claim "Oops, we made a mistake and our data got leaked".

For example Facebook probably said they would keep your data secure, but their system to prevent abuse from 3rd party "Quiz" developers was "Developer, by clicking here you agree not to abuse the data you can access."...

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by arminiusreturns on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:12AM (#23299404)
I thought quad9 was UK based?
Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by cbg0 on Monday May 25, 2020 @05:14AM (#23299414)
Bottom of quad9.net says:

HQ

1442 A Walnut Street

Suite 501

Berkeley CA 94709

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by arminiusreturns on Monday May 25, 2020 @08:15PM (#23306218)
Aha, figured out I was confused because I read about their membership in the Global Cyber Alliance which includes members such as the London Police and the NYPD.

Bonus if you are interested: forum thread where Quad9's director of the board comments about DNS are surprisingly informational.

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/cloud9-dns.56918/

Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by 0817527930 on Monday May 25, 2020 @06:28AM (#23299748)
Could be interesting to use a list of DoH servers and pick one at random for each DNS query.
Re:Thai Database Leaks 8.3B Internet Records by lisk1 on Monday May 25, 2020 @06:51AM (#23299844)
dnscrypt-proxy can do that for you, downside slow DNS server means slow DNS responce time