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Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by gruez on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:10PM (#23295762)
>Zuckerberg said Facebook will monitor adherence by checking where employees access its VPN. Facebook also uses its own apps' to track employee locations, according to CNBC

So all I need to do paycheck arbitrage is to use a VPN with private residential IP (yes, that's a thing), and a rooted/jailbroken phone that does location spoofing?

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by dmurray on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:51PM (#23296058)
It's Facebook. You already know they use hundreds of sources of information to track and categorise people. Zuckerberg and CNBC just mentioned two.

That said, I expect you can fool Facebook for a while with high probability. You might need to commit fraud and/or tax evasion to do so, so that raises the bar.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by Nextgrid on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:57PM (#23296968)
Question: can you even work at Facebook without having an account and using it?

The biggest risk of leak would be during usage of their services like their app and/or website on personal devices. If you can work there while only using their issued work laptop it would be pretty easy to contain by sticking it behind a VPN router.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by sdan on Sunday May 24, 2020 @11:00PM (#23297332)
I've heard FB has their own version of FB for work, which is mandatory to have
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by kristianc on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:29PM (#23296347)
> It's Facebook. You already know they use hundreds of sources of information to track and categorise people. Zuckerberg and CNBC just mentioned two.

To be fair I once interviewed at Facebook and to my surprise the CV the recruiter pulled was one I’d applied with three years ago, so the system isn’t all that foolproof.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by pizza on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:45PM (#23296464)
Yes but on the other hand this anecdote highlights their talent for maintaining a dossier of your personal information spanning not only many types of sources but also many years.. :) / :(
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by throwphoton on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:36PM (#23295949)
You would also need to avoid any and every other way of revealing your location.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by buzzkillington on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:53PM (#23296070)
Less hard than you think.

I really just need a closet in SF with my own gear and off to the races.

It's a shame slavery doesn't exist any longer. I'd sell myself to a company owned by a shell company I control in a state where slavery is illegal and siphon all my income that way.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by greesil on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:59PM (#23296115)
If someone is claiming to be local they just say report to some location on campus and badge in.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by modwest on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:55PM (#23296084)
Just pray travel expenses never pop up I guess?
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by gruez on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:00PM (#23296123)
if you're a dev the chances of you incurring a travel expense is low.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by thedufer on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:16PM (#23296236)
Really? I'm a dev (although not at Facebook) and I travel for work several times a year. Also, all of the remote employees I've worked with have traveled to the office occasionally.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by modwest on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:58PM (#23296572)
dunno i’ve been fully remote for 6 years now. Many reasons people get together. Several times a year is my experience. Would be a tough pill to swallow to have to secretly travel to town, get a hotel, all on my own dime. What a huge stress & pain in the ass.

edit: In fact, “get the team together quarterly” is, last I heard, pretty standard guidance for distributed teams. I think it’s a fair assumption if you have little experience working remote. There’s more travel involved than you think though.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by proverbialbunny on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:23PM (#23295852)
Almost. Apps check if a phone is jailbroken, so that needs to be dealt with too.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by saghm on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:38PM (#23295971)
Is it possible to nest VPNs, i.e. connect to a VPN in the location of the preferred fake home, then connect to Facebook's VPN through that? I genuinely know enough about VPNs to know if this is possible or not.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by thaumasiotes on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:03PM (#23296151)
Yes. This kind of thing is generally called "tunneling", not "nesting". As applied here, "chaining" would make more sense.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by saghm on Sunday May 24, 2020 @11:17PM (#23297444)
Oops, I meant to say "genuinely don't know enough about VPNs". Too late to edit now...
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by gruez on Sunday May 24, 2020 @07:32PM (#23295920)
That's only an issue if the use of a non-jailbroken/rooted phone is a requirement for doing the job. "I like my phone rooted/jailbroken" is a plausible excuse already.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by loeg on Sunday May 24, 2020 @08:44PM (#23296452)
They provide a biz phone for on-call and jail-breaking it is probably out of scope of what is permitted.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by Nextgrid on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:59PM (#23296980)
If you try hard enough, there are mobile carriers that will hand over the SIM's data session to a tunnel endpoint of your choice (via L2TP or IPsec).

There is always a way.

Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by renewiltord on Monday May 25, 2020 @12:46AM (#23297902)
It's also tax fraud unless you fix that part.
Re:With remote work plan, Facebook dashes hopes of paycheck ... by LordHumungous on Sunday May 24, 2020 @09:42PM (#23296887)
Sounds hard